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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg with gene and

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Chris in the para cast a little bit

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layer will be talking with documentary

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producer James Fox who was engaged in

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some fascinating projects a lot to come

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there and yes we will ask him about the

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experience over at the chasing UFOs show

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and have them answer your questions

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that's later let's talk about things now

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now as you know listeners a couple of

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weeks back we featured this great debate

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between Kevin Randle and Scott Ramsey

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covering the alleged Aztec UFO crash I

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say alleged whether a UFO or anything

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any kind of craft crashed in Aztec New

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Mexico in March of 1948 now one thing we

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didn't mention there and I'd like to

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draw our listeners attention to this

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different perspective at Kevin Randle

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blog spot.com and we have always links

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for it over at the power cast calm and

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there's a three part series they're

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called Aztec in perspective by Monty

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Schriver did you read that Chris you

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know gene now that you mention it no I

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Monty shriver he lived in Aztec he grew

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up there okay he grew up there and one

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thing can tell us because he was around

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in 1948 I guess a preteen he was around

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1948 and he certainly is not too old to

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remember his life he has no memory

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whatever of anything untoward happening

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in or around Astec in his youth in 1948

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he doesn't know anybody who does he went

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back to his 60th class reunion and they

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couldn't remember it either but what he

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did was read the book from Scott

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MZ with Susanne Ramsay and Frank Warren

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and dr. Frank fair and also bill Simon's

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book on Aztec and he kind of sorta

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disproved a lot of it number one is he

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pointed out that Ramsay's descriptions

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of roads what roads were available when

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and where they went and that kind of

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stuff a lot of that information was

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sometimes just slightly sometimes

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completely wrong okay the locations of

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bridges also kind of wrong hmm now what

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bothers me is Frank Warren had detailed

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rebuttal that he made over some of the

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aspects of Shrivers article but Ramsay

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never issued a rebuttal of this thing

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we're left back with a real serious

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problem here of the fact that we have an

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earth-shattering event allegedly alleged

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the crash of a strange flying object in

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Hart Canyon near Aztec New Mexico we

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have a town where you know it's like any

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small town America people no people

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nothing happens that people don't know

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about maybe they won't talk about it and

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mix company but if something like this

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happened they know about word gets

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around word would get around the local

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newspaper would have some inkling of it

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maybe it was just a shop or you know a

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weekly thing with the local ads but I

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would have local stories something like

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this is a national like that come out

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listen uh you know the Durango papers

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the Aztec paper Farmington they'd all be

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there and it would probably hit the news

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services if something really happened

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and and it came out okay now one piece

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of physical evidence alleged again that

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Scott Ramsey produces is this concrete

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slab what was it used for

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now he's suggesting it was used to

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anchor the excavation equipment but you

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can't prove that I mean it doesn't

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matter what it was used for can you

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prove it was used to excavate a flying

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saucer that's the point it's not what it

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could have been used for it is can you

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prove it was used for that purpose and

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here the size of the equipment and this

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guy Shriver has an engineering

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background the size of the equipment

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you'd need would overhang the road by

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like 13 feet in each direction so

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imagine something that large transported

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like that in a multiple convoy dozens

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and dozens of feet long you're telling

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me that happens and nobody in the entire

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town knows about it well in that

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environment especially because we're

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talking about semi-arid desert there's

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not very many trees of loft you know

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high trees and something like that would

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be impossible for especially for nearby

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ranches to not spot going by I mean

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that's that's huge I don't know I mean

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yes Scott Ramsay has found a couple of

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people who claim to witness something

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but that's not enough to hang an entire

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case on it's gonna require a lot more

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and we have the one problem that Kevin

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Randle mentioned during the interview

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let's understand oh it's what I

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mentioned and that is we don't have any

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information or any inkling of something

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happening pre Scully and this is the

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problem now if we look at debating

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points who won that debate properly

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Ramsey because he's been immersed in

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this case for twenty years

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and Randall has read about it but has

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not been immersed in the case for that

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I think Randall actually came out ahead

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he just sounded defensive so it seemed

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like he didn't but he seemed to feel he

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did end up as they say a little bit less

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than Ramsey in terms of having

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everything on the table but Ramsey also

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tried to bushwhack him with a couple of

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silly things like pronouncing somebody's

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name wrong like a jab hour whatever the

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heck it is it doesn't matter it doesn't

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change the facts now you know I think at

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this point unless or until Scott Ramsey

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can show us more than he is shown I

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don't think there's anywhere to go with

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this case I agree unless saying that

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Ramsey's lying or anything else I think

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the guy is sincere I know a few people

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have attacked him one person called him

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slippery as an eel

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and the way he handles the debate so

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he's a smooth debater okay that's fine

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let's look at the case the evidence is

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not fair to sustain the conclusion that

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a strange flying object crashing a stick

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I know Frank Warren will not like that I

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know that Scott Ramsay will not like

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that but I think the onus is on them to

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provide more evidence if it exists and I

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think after all these years unless you

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find evidence of a craft being held at

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some kind of secret government base

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where do you go with it where do you

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take it I think this is the end of it

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you know so onwards and upwards right

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we'll have to ask et et did you have a

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problem with flying saucer crashing in

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the New Mexican desert in 1948

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also have to wonder here about Roswell

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Roswell something happened but I still

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think the evidence that it was

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extraterrestrial or something strange is

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not there yet it could have been a

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flying saucer it could also a been a

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test aircraft

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that's not disproven or body-snatchers

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in the desert exactly

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Nick Redferns theory that's where you go

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about that well we're gonna have fun

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today with our guys oh yes now you met

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up with our guest in California just a

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few weeks ago I did I went out to do an

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interview with a bunch of other really

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interesting folks including and ruffle

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who had the original Polaroid shots for

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the Rex Heflin photographs which I found

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very fascinating but James is working

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with Tracy Torme of course we did the

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fire in the sky Travis Walton movie The

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Show sliders was a executive story

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editor for Star Trek new-generation blah

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blah blah the two of them powerhouses in

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any sort of youthful logical filmmakers

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sense have dovetailed their efforts and

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partnered up for a new feature film with

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the working title 701 which are the

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number of unexplained

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Bluebook file cases and they've been

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interviewing people and doing all the

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research of course Tracy the great

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writer that he is will be writing the

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the narration and James had the distinct

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pleasure of spending over a week now

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this boggles my mind I must admire him

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for being able to hang that long but he

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was out in the DC area and he hung out

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with race Stanford for eight days race

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Stanford for eight days that will take

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us eight hours to discuss that in the

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show and that's only piloted yes imagine

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eight days with Ray Stanford that's a

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show and a half unto itself James Fox

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a few days ago we heard the sad news

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that one of our fellow travelers and

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paranormal radio Kevin Smith had died

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apparently of a heart condition we send

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out our sympathies to his friends and

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his family back on the power cast with

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Gene and Chris we welcome back James Fox

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who's a movie producer and documentarian

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and he's responsible for this new film

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called 7:01 we subtitle at the number

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the government does not want you to know

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cuz these are the unsolved cases in

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Project Blue Book James Fox thank you

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for coming back on well thanks for

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having me alright I guess we got to ask

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this question let's get it finished

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first now a lot of people were asking

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about one of your co-hosts the female

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co-host on that show you did but we'll

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get into that in a moment let's talk

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about the facts here you get on a show

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called chasing UFOs for National

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Geographic Channel and you came on here

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and in other places and you weren't too

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happy with the way things are and then

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one of your co-hosts joined you in

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basically disparaging or attacking the

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show so what happened there just kind of

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give us the Reader's Digest version

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because we covered a lot of this in the

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previous segment

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well the ultimate realization of the

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project could not have been further from

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what was initially described to both me

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and Ben you know we detected that it

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started to move in the wrong direction

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and we were just essentially powerless

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to change it and it didn't even have a

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title for the first couple of months and

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then they narrowed it down to I think

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three titles and Ben and I were so

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opposed to chasing UFOs title we were

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considering even like combining forces

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and his protesting but you know

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unfortunately like we act we asked and

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then there was a lot of you know these

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we understand like you know with

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television that you know it's primarily

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entertainment so we were both Ben and

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myself we're hoping that we could infuse

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some entertaining aspects and also get

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in some good pertinent information but

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what ended up on the editing room floor

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was most of the good stuff that all the

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sort of hyperbole ended up on the screen

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which we were completely utterly

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disappointed about so we spoke out and

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we spoke out rather early on and you

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know I don't think that since that day

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that that article that article came out

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of what Ben and I really felt about the

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show I haven't spoken to the production

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you know the guy and head of the

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production company after our initial

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conversation I don't think I've talked

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to him since this Chris here James and

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welcome to this back to the show I must

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say it's the first time I have ever seen

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two principles on screen personalities

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come out in question the editorial slant

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of a show that is hasn't even been

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broadcast yet I mean literally as that

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first show was broadcast you and Ben

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were voicing publicly your your

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reservations about the approach and I

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must say you know I I admire that kind

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of you know just sheer integrity that

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would allow you and Ben to do that and I

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admire that

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but I must say and I this is an aside

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this is the first time I've ever heard

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of this happening ever on a you know a

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big budget show like that yeah well the

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the the officials the exact said that

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deal were were

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less than pleased about the whole

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incident and I actually wrote a very

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detailed email to the execs as to why we

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spoke out and with references to emails

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and what was initially sold to us and

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all the I gave examples for each and

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every episode that we had seen and why

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we were upset and I remember when the

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you know because if the production

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company basically I'm not and I'm not

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entirely sure what what went down

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ultimately whether it was the production

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company just keeps in the dark or

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whether it changed directions when there

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were some execs that had left NatGeo and

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some new execs came on board so maybe

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they changed the entire concept of the

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show I'm not never been really clearly

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told to me so I don't know I never know

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what goes on in the network level one

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thing I must say though when I met you

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out in LA we was standing in the lobby

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of the hotel and who did we happen upon

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but Aaron the other the third you know

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principle and in the show and you

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whispered to me this that had been the

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first time you would talk to her since

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the the show aired and some promotional

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stuff I'm not sure the exact yeah if it

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was right afterwards the problem right

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but I found that very interesting that

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we should just be standing there and all

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of a sudden we look over and guess who's

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there and she was also one of the

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executive producers on the show correct

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me if I'm wrong she was a show he was a

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showrunner Yeah right she was the field

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producer basically yeah they're

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basically the person that you know and

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that's a difficult thing to do to both

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appear and run the show yeah it's

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impossible but she's a yeah I can tell

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she's got a game face big time and and

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she seemed very congenial and didn't I

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didn't detect any sort of animosity or

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anything from her she seemed very sweet

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well yeah you know she was involved with

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one of the owners of the production

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company and after that show some point

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during the show I think they they

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separated and I got the impression they

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don't know for sure that it was not a

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very amicable separation so I don't know

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ultimately what what

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level of her involvement was with the

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with the show or whether she was I don't

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know

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interesting well she seems she seemed

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very very gracious and very nice and it

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was it was really a pleasure meeting her

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how many shows were actually finally

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aired 6 8 8 shows weird okay and there

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was never any talk about revamping the

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show possibly coming out with a second

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season or anything like that

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well you know I think that there was a

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lot of things going on internally one of

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which was yeah I guess I've been liberty

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to say this but but you know Ben has an

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incredible way of articulating his

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thoughts and and he essentially for the

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most part kind of refused to go on any

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media you know do any interviews with

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further comments about you know how he

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felt about the show and then he added a

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little caveat he's like and I'm not even

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sure I can't remember exactly how he

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phrased it but I thought wow that was

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really beautifully executed something

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about I'm not even sure of any future

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involvement with my at this point with

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me anyway in other words I don't think

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I'm ever going to go back to that show

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and he said that to the execs very early

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on so they kind of like kept him out of

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the limelight but he did it in a very

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diplomatic way yeah well you know it's

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you know you live and learn and I was

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warned going into it that these things

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happen and I thought that it would be

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different and I was wrong all right so

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the point is here there will never be a

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second season of chasing UFOs right you

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know I think that I think the exact

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realized that it was extremely unlikely

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that we would even participate and that

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I wrote a very detailed email which I

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never had a response to to the execs

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explaining my position and why I spoke

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out and gave me victims for the show

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right I mean that was a big deal I that

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was one of the things that that bothered

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me more than anything else is that you

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know from someone who's done

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documentaries independently and know you

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know what it what it takes and you know

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the amount of money that was spent on

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that show and what I could have done

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with that money you know I mean my god

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it could have been a really incredible

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opportunity and I thought that Nat Geo

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would have a bit more integrity but

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ultimately you know they're just

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interested in selling advertising

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and what sells is you know you look at

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some of the shows that are doing

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extremely well their ratings and you

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just think my god you know wow but the

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American public is eaten up and boy I'm

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in the wrong field I'm going to ask you

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a few more questions before we go into

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your current project but we have James

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Fox joining us with Jean and Chris

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[Music]

614
00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:03,860
hi this is Don Ecker and you are tuned

615
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:06,740
in to the para cast let me tell you what

616
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:09,110
you're gonna hear stuff here that you

617
00:27:15,850 --> 00:27:12,650
probably won't hear anywhere else hear

618
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:15,860
that George snoring on the power cast

619
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:18,290
with Gene and Chris James Fox motion

620
00:27:24,730 --> 00:27:20,690
picture documentary producer director

621
00:27:27,490 --> 00:27:24,740
and star now the other question I have

622
00:27:28,750 --> 00:27:27,500
of you James and this is obviously

623
00:27:31,950 --> 00:27:28,760
something that you've probably

624
00:27:35,590 --> 00:27:31,960
considered having spoken out against the

625
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:35,600
production chasing UFOs does that make

626
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:37,250
it more difficult for you to get other

627
00:27:42,190 --> 00:27:40,490
projects certainly in the industry in

628
00:27:44,050 --> 00:27:42,200
that particular industry you know I mean

629
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,060
I've worked independently most of my

630
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:45,440
life so I've never had to worry about

631
00:27:48,730 --> 00:27:47,120
those types of things but in terms of

632
00:27:51,070 --> 00:27:48,740
like getting another gig like that I

633
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:51,080
think I'd be looked at as a as a

634
00:27:58,330 --> 00:27:56,570
liability so probably yes or at least if

635
00:28:01,030 --> 00:27:58,340
they come back to you they make it very

636
00:28:03,010 --> 00:28:01,040
clear what the ground rules are at the

637
00:28:05,890 --> 00:28:03,020
beginning and provides something that at

638
00:28:07,210 --> 00:28:05,900
least is favorable now I understand here

639
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:07,220
based on what you told me I don't want

640
00:28:10,930 --> 00:28:09,170
to get into details even though they

641
00:28:12,820 --> 00:28:10,940
apparently had a big budget for this the

642
00:28:15,970 --> 00:28:12,830
talent didn't get a lot of money from

643
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:15,980
this project that's a whole other issue

644
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:18,290
if you look at the percentage of what

645
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:21,530
was spent on each episode it's what it

646
00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:23,810
was not commensurate with our our

647
00:28:29,140 --> 00:28:26,120
contribution in my opinion by a long

648
00:28:30,370 --> 00:28:29,150
shot I mean I would guess to say it's

649
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,380
somewhere in the realm of three hundred

650
00:28:33,430 --> 00:28:32,000
and fifty thousand per episode maybe a

651
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:33,440
little more maybe a little less I'm not

652
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:35,600
entirely sure then you've got all the

653
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:37,250
budget they've spent on promotional I

654
00:28:39,820 --> 00:28:38,450
mean they must I don't even know how

655
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:39,830
much they spend on promotion I mean it

656
00:28:44,470 --> 00:28:42,890
must have been a lot you can't help but

657
00:28:47,170 --> 00:28:44,480
think boy what I could do with these

658
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:47,180
kind of funds so much for commercial TV

659
00:28:51,550 --> 00:28:49,370
but other people attacked other UFO

660
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:51,560
documentaries like for example UFO

661
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:53,690
Hunters that was one bill birnes was

662
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:56,720
involved in and it had some interesting

663
00:29:02,500 --> 00:29:00,320
parts but sometimes they overlooked less

664
00:29:04,930 --> 00:29:02,510
than favorable details about some cases

665
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:04,940
to make it look better and they took

666
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:06,710
Chris for example and they interviewed

667
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:09,530
him and suddenly they miraculously

668
00:29:12,370 --> 00:29:11,810
transported everything he was talking

669
00:29:16,659 --> 00:29:12,380
about

670
00:29:18,909 --> 00:29:16,669
from where New Mexico to Arizona I think

671
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:18,919
there's a terminology in the production

672
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:22,010
world for that Franken bytes and that

673
00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:24,710
happened and I noticed because I one of

674
00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:26,660
the clauses I at the last minute I put

675
00:29:30,789 --> 00:29:28,400
in the I put in the contract was it I

676
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:30,799
would have oversight of some of the

677
00:29:36,730 --> 00:29:33,530
content that I brought to the table okay

678
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:36,740
you know that didn't mean they sign that

679
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:39,530
well it was only the interviews the

680
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:41,360
people that I brought to the table right

681
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:44,809
and I noticed on I think one of the

682
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:47,570
second or third episodes and they

683
00:29:50,289 --> 00:29:48,770
wouldn't show me the whole thing that

684
00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:50,299
would show me just sniff it's just the

685
00:29:54,460 --> 00:29:52,520
tiny snippets and I noticed someone

686
00:29:56,409 --> 00:29:54,470
saying something that that was Franken

687
00:29:57,700 --> 00:29:56,419
bit they just edited into saying make it

688
00:29:59,560 --> 00:29:57,710
look like you saying one thing and I

689
00:30:01,060 --> 00:29:59,570
just put my foot down I was like what

690
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,070
the hell is this and they all pass it at

691
00:30:04,299 --> 00:30:02,720
all that must have been the previous

692
00:30:06,370 --> 00:30:04,309
header that we fired and that was an

693
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:06,380
oversight and I said well somebody has

694
00:30:10,299 --> 00:30:07,730
to be held accountable for this this is

695
00:30:12,159 --> 00:30:10,309
making hey something they didn't say and

696
00:30:14,110 --> 00:30:12,169
that's so unacceptable what are you guys

697
00:30:16,029 --> 00:30:14,120
thinking you know especially with my

698
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:16,039
name on this thing and I read I raised

699
00:30:20,620 --> 00:30:19,370
hell about it and but you know you can't

700
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:20,630
catch all these things and then you

701
00:30:25,539 --> 00:30:22,880
you're kept out of the loop and in in

702
00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:25,549
the Edit room for the most part it's

703
00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:30,830
incredibly frustrating and you know and

704
00:30:34,899 --> 00:30:32,780
director so you can do your own projects

705
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:34,909
and and stand behind the content I

706
00:30:39,159 --> 00:30:37,490
should point out here that cropping or

707
00:30:42,580 --> 00:30:39,169
editing or putting words in people's

708
00:30:44,590 --> 00:30:42,590
mouths it's not just in reality shows in

709
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:44,600
the mainstream media they've been a few

710
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:46,010
notorious cases where they'll take

711
00:30:51,250 --> 00:30:48,530
somebody's words and they will telegraph

712
00:30:53,049 --> 00:30:51,260
them somebody says something and all the

713
00:30:55,899 --> 00:30:53,059
stuff around it that explains what that

714
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:55,909
means is removed so they can change the

715
00:31:00,940 --> 00:30:57,770
meaning and have it mean something

716
00:31:03,490 --> 00:31:00,950
totally different it's unusual it's

717
00:31:05,140 --> 00:31:03,500
really really it's diabolical in my

718
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:05,150
opinion and minutes absolutely you know

719
00:31:08,919 --> 00:31:06,710
this makes you realize you know they're

720
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:08,929
not concerned at all about accuracy of

721
00:31:13,690 --> 00:31:11,330
content it's just does it fit into their

722
00:31:16,630 --> 00:31:13,700
little storyline and does it there was

723
00:31:18,909 --> 00:31:16,640
no regard for accuracy or intake no

724
00:31:20,890 --> 00:31:18,919
integrity for the witnesses it's really

725
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:20,900
unfortunate really really unfortunate it

726
00:31:23,910 --> 00:31:22,490
seems like it's getting even worse so

727
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:23,920
well

728
00:31:27,660 --> 00:31:26,170
one thing that really stuck out to me is

729
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:27,670
when you guys are going out searching

730
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:29,500
for physical evidence you're doing it in

731
00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:32,170
three inches of water with lipstick cams

732
00:31:37,290 --> 00:31:35,080
in your face at night that to me it just

733
00:31:38,790 --> 00:31:37,300
from that first episode on it was

734
00:31:40,980 --> 00:31:38,800
totally trashed and the other thing was

735
00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:40,990
the great footage that you got of that

736
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:43,990
weird circulating light in the sky in

737
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:46,330
the clouds which looked to me to be real

738
00:31:49,650 --> 00:31:48,610
footage and we never heard anything

739
00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:49,660
about it again

740
00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:51,580
oh I could give you a case after case

741
00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:54,640
after case of every single episode of

742
00:31:59,280 --> 00:31:56,920
you know no further analysis I mean I'll

743
00:32:02,070 --> 00:31:59,290
give you one one point right now which

744
00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:02,080
just gets me to talk about but you know

745
00:32:08,730 --> 00:32:05,320
when Travis won't look greed to do the

746
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:08,740
show he only did it because of me and he

747
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,720
said okay well I'll do it and I'll take

748
00:32:16,590 --> 00:32:12,720
you guys to the site provided that you

749
00:32:18,900 --> 00:32:16,600
do analysis work on these anomalous tree

750
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:18,910
ring growths at the epicenter of where I

751
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,850
saw the craft and there was clearly

752
00:32:26,580 --> 00:32:23,440
something anomalous or something that

753
00:32:28,890 --> 00:32:26,590
caused these you know trees in that

754
00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:28,900
immediate area to grow a lot faster and

755
00:32:34,830 --> 00:32:31,900
you could clearly see that by this you

756
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:34,840
know the tree ring growth and he's like

757
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:36,160
I just want to I just want to know

758
00:32:39,630 --> 00:32:38,170
further analysis work on this and that's

759
00:32:42,770 --> 00:32:39,640
you know and then everyone agreed that

760
00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:42,780
was gonna happen and then nothing ever

761
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:45,160
happened with that in post it's like

762
00:32:48,930 --> 00:32:47,290
they just like you know mentioned it

763
00:32:52,410 --> 00:32:48,940
briefly and then didn't do any follow-up

764
00:32:54,150 --> 00:32:52,420
analysis work in zero nada nothing and I

765
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:54,160
could give you case after case for every

766
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,510
single episode would that happened I

767
00:33:03,150 --> 00:32:58,000
mean Frank Kibler okay

768
00:33:05,310 --> 00:33:03,160
New Mexico geologist he found what might

769
00:33:07,260 --> 00:33:05,320
possibly be debris from whatever it was

770
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:07,270
it crashed at Roswell pretty significant

771
00:33:11,910 --> 00:33:09,730
thing don't you think and preliminary

772
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:11,920
analysis came back on some of the bits

773
00:33:17,250 --> 00:33:13,120
of metal that he had in his possession

774
00:33:19,530 --> 00:33:17,260
of the magnesium isotopes being possibly

775
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:19,540
not definitively possibly outside of

776
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:21,190
what's found on earth but he needed

777
00:33:25,650 --> 00:33:22,690
further analysis that he couldn't afford

778
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:25,660
to do and I can't remember aspect oh I

779
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:27,910
don't know the exact terminologies have

780
00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:30,850
to look up in my notes but we found the

781
00:33:36,140 --> 00:33:33,070
lab in Los Angeles that was agreeing

782
00:33:37,860 --> 00:33:36,150
that would agree to do that and for free

783
00:33:40,980 --> 00:33:37,870
provided you know they're just

784
00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:40,990
we plug there there or company which is

785
00:33:45,930 --> 00:33:43,990
I mean got no-brainer right well all

786
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:45,940
Frank Kimber wanted was to be able to

787
00:33:50,850 --> 00:33:47,890
personally hand over this debris to the

788
00:33:53,820 --> 00:33:50,860
lab which is just requires a flight okay

789
00:33:56,430 --> 00:33:53,830
and when you document your evidence

790
00:34:00,120 --> 00:33:56,440
chain that's that's really important

791
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:00,130
total reasonable request and I can't get

792
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:02,170
in mixed stories from the production

793
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:03,670
company and then Franklin call me of

794
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:04,930
course I'm in touch with Frank and I'm

795
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:06,490
going thanks like what's not what's

796
00:34:09,810 --> 00:34:07,930
happening at all I told them that I was

797
00:34:11,899 --> 00:34:09,820
gladly willing to hand this stuff over I

798
00:34:15,810 --> 00:34:11,909
just wanted to do it in person so all I

799
00:34:17,369 --> 00:34:15,820
needed was approval to get him an

800
00:34:19,889 --> 00:34:17,379
airline he's like I'll even take care

801
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:19,899
under dollars answer flight yeah

802
00:34:23,610 --> 00:34:23,290
ridiculous right couldn't get them to do

803
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:23,620
it

804
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:26,560
so the very reason that he participated

805
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:29,679
in our show was to have further analysis

806
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,210
done on his Goodson metal that's what he

807
00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:33,280
wanted and we didn't and we said we'd do

808
00:34:36,500 --> 00:34:35,080
it and we didn't do it and I could give

809
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:36,510
you case after case I mean it was just

810
00:34:44,430 --> 00:34:41,050
absurd like absurd it's so frustrating

811
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,440
so well is there any hope for broadcast

812
00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:46,240
television in all the cable channels

813
00:34:51,060 --> 00:34:48,760
covering uh you know paranormal subjects

814
00:34:52,230 --> 00:34:51,070
in general but UFOs in particular is

815
00:34:57,720 --> 00:34:52,240
there any hope for them to do it

816
00:34:59,550 --> 00:34:57,730
correctly I don't think they care yeah I

817
00:35:01,800 --> 00:34:59,560
just don't think that the executives

818
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:01,810
care one way or the other at all whether

819
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:04,960
or not you know there's any real

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evidence or any analysis that would

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prove one way or the other it's just

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entertainment the bottom yeah they're

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filling they're filling spaces in

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between commercial blocks exactly so

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incredibly frustrating you guys I can go

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on I mean what can I say i I went on

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board with a lot of people telling me

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that you know we didn't even know we're

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gonna do the night investigation so we

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got out in the field and Ben and I were

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looking at each other going uh

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scratching their heads like you want us

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to what oh well you know it's just a

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small section of the thing and people

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really like the comfort of their couches

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the looking blooded we kind of plant you

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know I gotta be honest we played along

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with it you know thinking it would be a

839
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very small element of the piece and

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maybe once or twice it actually made

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sense but 99% of the time it didn't make

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any sense at all and it was very

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frustrating for both Ben

844
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you know and you know well that leads me

845
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to a question James from forum Tepera

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cast comm where we post a thread for our

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forum participants to go ahead and fire

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off some questions and we have we have a

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couple of really interesting ones

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regarding chasing UFOs I'll tell you

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what Chris we are going to be out of

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time in about 20 seconds so let's leave

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as the cliffhanger that we have a number

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of questions from our listeners at forum

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dot the podcast come in the question

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Bank of our guest James Fox he's

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involved with Tracy Torme in this new

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film 701 that we'll talk about once we

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get the chasing UFO stuff out of the way

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how about that neighbors with gene and

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[Music]

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this is a skirt 70 author you up on the

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streets and you're listening to the

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podcast we're happy to have James Fox

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back as you see he doesn't pull any

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punches not at all he tells you what he

965
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thinks and Chris and I noted to our

966
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listeners only hours before this episode

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was being recorded that James Fox would

968
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be here on this episode and we got hit

969
00:41:35,499 --> 00:41:32,719
with a number of questions Christian

970
00:41:38,049 --> 00:41:35,509
okay this one James comes from God's

971
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Makai who's our one of our forum

972
00:41:44,319 --> 00:41:42,140
moderators and he wants to know what do

973
00:41:46,479 --> 00:41:44,329
you think of Stan romanek now that you

974
00:41:48,670 --> 00:41:46,489
met him and specifically do you think

975
00:41:51,849 --> 00:41:48,680
the boo alien at the window video is

976
00:41:56,890 --> 00:41:51,859
legit and I must say they kind of punked

977
00:41:59,049 --> 00:41:56,900
you on this whole deal because you you

978
00:42:00,459 --> 00:41:59,059
know you first of all you forget a lot

979
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:00,469
of times you're you know that you're

980
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:03,170
being recorded from every possible angle

981
00:42:08,019 --> 00:42:06,650
and you know it's late at night middle

982
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:08,029
of the night and you're thinking to the

983
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:10,130
back of your mind you know all your

984
00:42:13,569 --> 00:42:11,689
rational side is like you know this is

985
00:42:16,059 --> 00:42:13,579
most probably not you know any

986
00:42:18,660 --> 00:42:16,069
authenticity to you know one way or the

987
00:42:22,839 --> 00:42:18,670
other and I don't want to you know

988
00:42:24,609 --> 00:42:22,849
comment well anyway let's just put it

989
00:42:26,769 --> 00:42:24,619
this way in the back of my mind there's

990
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:26,779
a there's a little what if and when I

991
00:42:32,620 --> 00:42:30,529
first saw one of the granted I'm on I'm

992
00:42:34,809 --> 00:42:32,630
looking at about five six different

993
00:42:36,099 --> 00:42:34,819
monitors and you know you're seeing

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someone who's in your peripheral vision

995
00:42:43,749 --> 00:42:39,319
to them and I see what I see something

996
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,759
and my brain just kind of deleted it and

997
00:42:47,949 --> 00:42:46,400
ignored it and then a beat later it

998
00:42:49,779 --> 00:42:47,959
happened again and this time I got both

999
00:42:50,859 --> 00:42:49,789
eyes on it and I clearly saw on one of

1000
00:42:53,709 --> 00:42:50,869
the surveillance black-and-white

1001
00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:53,719
monitors what looked rather similar to

1002
00:42:58,419 --> 00:42:56,390
what I'd seen with Stan Romanick and no

1003
00:43:00,189 --> 00:42:58,429
one had told me they were gonna I mean I

1004
00:43:01,569 --> 00:43:00,199
didn't had any indication at all that I

1005
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:01,579
was going to be Punk'd on this thing I

1006
00:43:05,529 --> 00:43:03,650
really didn't and I couldn't get in

1007
00:43:06,999 --> 00:43:05,539
touch with anybody else and I saw it and

1008
00:43:09,249 --> 00:43:07,009
it's funny because the only thing my

1009
00:43:12,009 --> 00:43:09,259
brain had to relate to it was what I'd

1010
00:43:14,259 --> 00:43:12,019
seen with Stan Romanek so my brain kind

1011
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:14,269
of filled in the blanks and I actually

1012
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:16,729
thought that I'd seen articulated eyes

1013
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:17,450
on

1014
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:21,050
they move and and you know my initial

1015
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:23,630
reaction was come on man someone's got

1016
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:24,770
to be messing with me but I couldn't get

1017
00:43:29,650 --> 00:43:26,530
in touch with anyone and I thought I

1018
00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:29,660
definitely saw something what on earth

1019
00:43:36,940 --> 00:43:34,040
could have possibly been you know it's a

1020
00:43:39,490 --> 00:43:36,950
perfect perfect illustration of witness

1021
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:39,500
bias our minds do fill in the blanks

1022
00:43:44,170 --> 00:43:42,290
when we are you know when we're face to

1023
00:43:46,180 --> 00:43:44,180
face with something inexplicable in our

1024
00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:46,190
minds we we tend to fill in the blank so

1025
00:43:50,589 --> 00:43:48,470
you know I'm not surprised at all that

1026
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:50,599
that that happened what do you think a

1027
00:43:54,190 --> 00:43:52,430
Romanek though I mean you got a chance

1028
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:54,200
to spend some time with him and I'm

1029
00:43:58,810 --> 00:43:55,760
gonna be spending the weekend with him

1030
00:44:01,270 --> 00:43:58,820
actually uh just kind of by coincidence

1031
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:01,280
well what do you think of his case have

1032
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:04,130
you looked into it the the mathematical

1033
00:44:09,579 --> 00:44:07,790
formula and some of the weird claims

1034
00:44:11,890 --> 00:44:09,589
that he's made about you know replacing

1035
00:44:13,740 --> 00:44:11,900
the siding on his house and just just

1036
00:44:21,069 --> 00:44:13,750
some bizarre stuff what do you think

1037
00:44:23,470 --> 00:44:21,079
well let's see going back to the I'm I'm

1038
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:23,480
suspicious of the alien in the window

1039
00:44:29,140 --> 00:44:27,200
video my gut tells me that either

1040
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:29,150
someone was playing a practical joke on

1041
00:44:36,790 --> 00:44:33,680
him there are elements of his story that

1042
00:44:41,849 --> 00:44:36,800
I have no doubt that he sincerely

1043
00:44:44,710 --> 00:44:41,859
believes are true and there are some

1044
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:44,720
inexplicable or seemingly inexplicable

1045
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:49,130
events that have occurred to him that I

1046
00:44:55,059 --> 00:44:51,770
am convinced that he believes is sincere

1047
00:44:58,349 --> 00:44:55,069
and happened having said that you know

1048
00:45:01,990 --> 00:44:58,359
it's like I did out of the blue and

1049
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:02,000
there's a guy named James Oberg who

1050
00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:05,089
discounted the entire film because I

1051
00:45:09,970 --> 00:45:07,790
screwed up on a date with mercury

1052
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:09,980
astronaut Gordon Cooper basically saying

1053
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:11,690
look if Ames can't get this right he

1054
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:13,130
clearly didn't get anything else right

1055
00:45:17,859 --> 00:45:14,690
and it's the rest of the film

1056
00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:17,869
based on I screwed up on that's typical

1057
00:45:22,510 --> 00:45:20,180
for James Oberg so let's not go yeah I'm

1058
00:45:24,430 --> 00:45:22,520
in that okay so whether or not there are

1059
00:45:27,609 --> 00:45:24,440
any elements there relating to Stan's

1060
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:27,619
case or not I just you know I haven't

1061
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:28,970
looked into it enough to say

1062
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:30,640
definitively one way or the other

1063
00:45:34,410 --> 00:45:32,650
but I you know having met him he seems

1064
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:34,420
like a sincere guy that really believes

1065
00:45:38,700 --> 00:45:35,920
something that truly inexplicable is

1066
00:45:40,799 --> 00:45:38,710
going down but I I just don't know

1067
00:45:42,630 --> 00:45:40,809
enough about the case to make an

1068
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:42,640
educated comment one way or the other

1069
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:46,569
well looking at his response during the

1070
00:45:50,609 --> 00:45:48,609
initial stages of that footage when the

1071
00:45:53,759 --> 00:45:50,619
alien pops up in the window it looks

1072
00:45:55,980 --> 00:45:53,769
like I mean he he must be a really good

1073
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:55,990
actor in order to feign that kind of

1074
00:46:00,720 --> 00:45:58,960
surprise I mean it looked real legit in

1075
00:46:02,849 --> 00:46:00,730
terms of what was going on inside the

1076
00:46:04,500 --> 00:46:02,859
room you saw what somebody did to me and

1077
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:04,510
my response looked pretty legit didn't

1078
00:46:10,170 --> 00:46:07,450
it right right so you know it's just

1079
00:46:14,009 --> 00:46:10,180
interesting how the observer effect can

1080
00:46:16,799 --> 00:46:14,019
go you know a long way in this realm so

1081
00:46:19,289 --> 00:46:16,809
you think your jury's out basically in

1082
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:19,299
your mind yeah the thing is it's hard to

1083
00:46:22,289 --> 00:46:20,470
comment on something like that

1084
00:46:23,849 --> 00:46:22,299
I like Stan as a person he seems like a

1085
00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:23,859
really nice guy and his family's been

1086
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:26,260
nothing but sweet and caring and all the

1087
00:46:30,029 --> 00:46:27,849
rest of it and I just I just don't know

1088
00:46:31,710 --> 00:46:30,039
enough about it you know I just all I

1089
00:46:33,509 --> 00:46:31,720
can say it says the alien in the window

1090
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:33,519
just there's something about it just

1091
00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:35,650
seems a little off to me and I can't

1092
00:46:39,299 --> 00:46:37,480
quite pinpoint it I can't make it an

1093
00:46:42,799 --> 00:46:39,309
educated comment on it

1094
00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:42,809
well another another question from

1095
00:46:48,990 --> 00:46:45,730
Godsman Kai he asked do you have an

1096
00:46:51,539 --> 00:46:49,000
explanation of how has such huge cases

1097
00:46:53,670 --> 00:46:51,549
such as Stevensville can happen and yet

1098
00:46:56,339 --> 00:46:53,680
not be taken seriously by major media

1099
00:46:59,640 --> 00:46:56,349
you met with some really compelling

1100
00:47:02,609 --> 00:46:59,650
witnesses down there and I was very very

1101
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:02,619
taken with I mean what I observed to be

1102
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:05,700
real sincerity these people actually had

1103
00:47:12,259 --> 00:47:09,130
highly unusual unexplained experiences

1104
00:47:15,299 --> 00:47:12,269
with objects flying over and

1105
00:47:17,370 --> 00:47:15,309
particularly at that that kind of town

1106
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:17,380
meeting that he had I was really taken

1107
00:47:22,349 --> 00:47:19,420
by the sincerity there what do you think

1108
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:22,359
about that why hasn't that case blown up

1109
00:47:26,700 --> 00:47:24,250
in the media like it should well you

1110
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:26,710
know it's interesting because one of the

1111
00:47:32,759 --> 00:47:30,730
aspects of that case that's never seen

1112
00:47:34,620 --> 00:47:32,769
the light of day was a personal

1113
00:47:36,059 --> 00:47:34,630
experience I had while in Stephenville I

1114
00:47:39,269 --> 00:47:36,069
think it was the third or fourth time I

1115
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:39,279
was there and I was shooting down by the

1116
00:47:44,670 --> 00:47:43,599
Town Hall and after I did a little shoot

1117
00:47:47,910 --> 00:47:44,680
with

1118
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:47,920
Sorrels ricky Sorrels this gentleman

1119
00:47:54,510 --> 00:47:50,770
walked up to me opened up his wallet and

1120
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:54,520
flashed his badge he said I'm officer

1121
00:47:58,200 --> 00:47:56,530
so-and-so and I'd like to have a word

1122
00:47:59,940 --> 00:47:58,210
with you for a minute I thought oh boy

1123
00:48:02,220 --> 00:47:59,950
what did I know what did I do wrong here

1124
00:48:03,690 --> 00:48:02,230
and he pulls me aside I tell people on

1125
00:48:06,990 --> 00:48:03,700
the set that we're working there I said

1126
00:48:10,290 --> 00:48:07,000
hey I'll be right back and he and I go

1127
00:48:12,030 --> 00:48:10,300
to a little cafe down the street and he

1128
00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:12,040
says I want you to know that you're on

1129
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,109
the right path he said I'm a police

1130
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:16,480
officer in the area and there were five

1131
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:18,490
other I think either four or five other

1132
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:21,010
police officers in the area that saw

1133
00:48:25,140 --> 00:48:22,930
that thing ricky is telling the truth I

1134
00:48:26,970 --> 00:48:25,150
can tell you right now we all saw it we

1135
00:48:30,420 --> 00:48:26,980
not only saw it he said it was so low

1136
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,430
and so huge I took out my radar gun and

1137
00:48:35,609 --> 00:48:33,520
I zapped it with my radar gun and

1138
00:48:37,260 --> 00:48:35,619
determined the speed was at 22 miles an

1139
00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:37,270
hour and he said it he described it as

1140
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:39,250
being the size of either one or two

1141
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,130
department stores absolutely huge and

1142
00:48:49,010 --> 00:48:45,520
very slow very low he said that they got

1143
00:48:51,270 --> 00:48:49,020
one of the officers used his car cam and

1144
00:48:53,609 --> 00:48:51,280
pointed it up into the sky through the

1145
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:53,619
windscreen and actually videotaped it

1146
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:56,079
and that that videotape was brought back

1147
00:49:00,059 --> 00:48:57,490
to the station and then they were

1148
00:49:03,870 --> 00:49:00,069
notified I guess by the local military

1149
00:49:06,569 --> 00:49:03,880
base there and they took that footage

1150
00:49:08,370 --> 00:49:06,579
and then they were all told not to ever

1151
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:08,380
talk about it he said I could never go

1152
00:49:11,130 --> 00:49:09,910
on the record with this James but I just

1153
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:11,140
wanted you to know that you're on the

1154
00:49:16,049 --> 00:49:12,720
right path and that really did happen

1155
00:49:18,450 --> 00:49:16,059
that's really compelling and it made of

1156
00:49:21,890 --> 00:49:18,460
tale into into my next observation which

1157
00:49:25,319 --> 00:49:21,900
is supposedly some of these overflights

1158
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:25,329
violated secured airspace over the

1159
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:28,089
Crawford ranch that the W Bush had down

1160
00:49:32,339 --> 00:49:30,490
there well you know when when you have

1161
00:49:34,859 --> 00:49:32,349
that kind of personal confirmation and

1162
00:49:36,660 --> 00:49:34,869
I've had it on a number of cases and the

1163
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:36,670
guy doesn't want any money he doesn't

1164
00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:38,530
want any notoriety he doesn't want his

1165
00:49:41,099 --> 00:49:39,849
name use he doesn't want to be

1166
00:49:43,890 --> 00:49:41,109
referenced he doesn't want to go on

1167
00:49:46,020 --> 00:49:43,900
camera he just wants me to know that I'm

1168
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:46,030
on the right path you know you kind of

1169
00:49:49,170 --> 00:49:47,650
have to ask yourself why on earth with

1170
00:49:50,579 --> 00:49:49,180
this police officer pulled me aside to

1171
00:49:53,250 --> 00:49:50,589
tell me that do you know what I mean I

1172
00:49:55,950 --> 00:49:53,260
mean I'll give you another example I was

1173
00:49:58,109 --> 00:49:55,960
investigating the Virginia case I think

1174
00:50:00,809 --> 00:49:58,119
it was was 1996 and

1175
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:00,819
in Brazil and I got the opportunity to

1176
00:50:07,769 --> 00:50:05,440
meet with a general general Jose Herrera

1177
00:50:11,069 --> 00:50:07,779
music carlos pereira i took with his

1178
00:50:13,109 --> 00:50:11,079
name he was very tight-lipped about the

1179
00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:13,119
Virginia case he just pretty much gave a

1180
00:50:17,609 --> 00:50:14,950
big no comment he's like I'm at the Air

1181
00:50:19,499 --> 00:50:17,619
Force that was an army affair on camera

1182
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:19,509
he was wouldn't he wouldn't go into it

1183
00:50:23,069 --> 00:50:21,249
he talked about other significant cases

1184
00:50:26,609 --> 00:50:23,079
that occurred in Brazil but he wouldn't

1185
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:26,619
go into that one and and after the

1186
00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:28,690
interview we did it in a hangar in South

1187
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:31,150
Powell Airport and it was about a five

1188
00:50:33,269 --> 00:50:32,890
to ten minute walk back to the parking

1189
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:33,279
lot

1190
00:50:38,700 --> 00:50:35,980
where this generals car was waiting for

1191
00:50:41,970 --> 00:50:38,710
him so I grabbed a translator and I

1192
00:50:43,950 --> 00:50:41,980
walked back to the car with this general

1193
00:50:46,259 --> 00:50:43,960
no cameras rolling just the translator

1194
00:50:47,549 --> 00:50:46,269
myself and the translator said told the

1195
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:47,559
general you know the general knew who

1196
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:49,180
kind of who I was based on what the

1197
00:50:53,099 --> 00:50:51,609
translator had told him and I looked him

1198
00:50:56,630 --> 00:50:53,109
dead in the eyes and I said please

1199
00:50:58,620 --> 00:50:56,640
general tell me about the Virginia case

1200
00:51:00,120 --> 00:50:58,630
you know and I looked her right in the

1201
00:51:01,529 --> 00:51:00,130
eyes and he patted me on the shoulder as

1202
00:51:02,970 --> 00:51:01,539
he got into the back of his car and he

1203
00:51:05,999 --> 00:51:02,980
said it happened and he got in his car

1204
00:51:08,609 --> 00:51:06,009
and off he went now I couldn't even use

1205
00:51:10,259 --> 00:51:08,619
that a documentary film but having

1206
00:51:13,049 --> 00:51:10,269
experienced it and having looking in

1207
00:51:16,289 --> 00:51:13,059
this generals eyes and that little trend

1208
00:51:17,970 --> 00:51:16,299
you know just that little validation and

1209
00:51:19,979 --> 00:51:17,980
then after having met the witnesses but

1210
00:51:22,890 --> 00:51:19,989
a lot of this stuff clearly couldn't be

1211
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,900
used in any of the document I mean I do

1212
00:51:27,089 --> 00:51:24,400
and will continue with this discussion

1213
00:51:29,249 --> 00:51:27,099
in our next segment we have James Fox

1214
00:51:31,100 --> 00:51:29,259
joining Jeanne and Chris you're in the

1215
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:31,110
very cast

1216
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:38,599
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1217
00:51:42,229 --> 00:51:41,220
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1219
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1220
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:50,160
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1221
00:51:54,380 --> 00:51:52,049
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1222
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1233
00:52:19,249 --> 00:52:16,920
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1234
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:19,259
again that's juicy and live.com hi this

1235
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:20,970
is Ted Anderson have you ever wondered

1236
00:52:24,529 --> 00:52:22,680
why banks stockbrokers investment

1237
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:24,539
advisors won't talk about gold IRAs

1238
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:26,819
they've been available since 1986 yet

1239
00:52:30,499 --> 00:52:28,559
the financial industry won't recognize

1240
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,509
the value of gold for your retirement

1241
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,400
gold has outperformed paper investments

1242
00:52:47,380 --> 00:52:34,559
yet no word about IRAs if you would like

1243
00:53:11,870 --> 00:53:09,739
806-853-9949 chaos but I believe you

1244
00:53:13,339 --> 00:53:11,880
should be informed about it because when

1245
00:53:15,370 --> 00:53:13,349
the sinister agenda is finally

1246
00:53:17,900 --> 00:53:15,380
accomplished and everything unravels

1247
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:17,910
only those who know this secret info

1248
00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:20,970
will survive and thrive go to 1 2 3

1249
00:53:27,529 --> 00:53:23,880
conspiracy calm right now to see the

1250
00:53:31,279 --> 00:53:27,539
truth the video of 1 2 3 conspiracy calm

1251
00:53:34,220 --> 00:53:31,289
reveals the real secret reason why Obama

1252
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:34,230
is after your guns and ammo and it's not

1253
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:36,210
just in response to mass murders of

1254
00:53:42,140 --> 00:53:38,700
preparing for war it's something much

1255
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:42,150
darker go watch the video now at 1 2 3

1256
00:53:55,569 --> 00:53:45,150
conspiracy calm before they shut it down

1257
00:54:03,579 --> 00:53:59,269
welcome back into the para cast the gold

1258
00:54:12,049 --> 00:54:03,589
standard of paranormal radio and now

1259
00:54:15,549 --> 00:54:12,059
here's Jane Steinberg so we have James

1260
00:54:17,779 --> 00:54:15,559
Fox motion picture producer director

1261
00:54:21,140 --> 00:54:17,789
specializing in documentaries working on

1262
00:54:23,659 --> 00:54:21,150
a project called 7:01 with Tracy Treme

1263
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:23,669
and others and right now we were

1264
00:54:28,189 --> 00:54:26,880
focusing on Virginia right yes yeah I

1265
00:54:30,289 --> 00:54:28,199
was just talking about little personal

1266
00:54:32,539 --> 00:54:30,299
confirmations that I've had with certain

1267
00:54:35,089 --> 00:54:32,549
things you know and it really kind of

1268
00:54:36,890 --> 00:54:35,099
keeps me going and some of the

1269
00:54:39,799 --> 00:54:36,900
validations that I've had I can't even

1270
00:54:41,179 --> 00:54:39,809
you know use in any of my films but I've

1271
00:54:43,189 --> 00:54:41,189
had them in Russia and I've had him in

1272
00:54:44,809 --> 00:54:43,199
South America and I've had them in you

1273
00:54:47,299 --> 00:54:44,819
know America I've had them in England

1274
00:54:49,699 --> 00:54:47,309
and it's just you know you're kind of

1275
00:54:52,519 --> 00:54:49,709
off the record when you've got a high

1276
00:54:54,229 --> 00:54:52,529
ranking officer or a police officer or

1277
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:54,239
someone who worked mo D or whoever it

1278
00:54:57,409 --> 00:54:55,890
might be off the record telling you

1279
00:55:00,199 --> 00:54:57,419
these things it really kind of keeps you

1280
00:55:02,599 --> 00:55:00,209
going well we've got a bunch of stuff to

1281
00:55:05,749 --> 00:55:02,609
keep us going here in this week's

1282
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:05,759
episode of the podcast and I I just you

1283
00:55:09,919 --> 00:55:07,529
know I've been waiting here just biting

1284
00:55:12,380 --> 00:55:09,929
my knuckle for the chance to ask you

1285
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:12,390
about the eight days that you spent with

1286
00:55:17,529 --> 00:55:14,729
raise Stanford in Maryland including

1287
00:55:20,359 --> 00:55:17,539
several trips to the National Archives

1288
00:55:22,789 --> 00:55:20,369
some of which what you discovered we I

1289
00:55:25,549 --> 00:55:22,799
don't think we should talk about now but

1290
00:55:29,029 --> 00:55:25,559
it's just it's just bombshell stuff well

1291
00:55:32,449 --> 00:55:29,039
what do what did you think of Ray you

1292
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,459
know it's funny right Ray Ray did not he

1293
00:55:36,289 --> 00:55:34,799
was not at all keen on going the

1294
00:55:38,569 --> 00:55:36,299
National Archives with me and he kept

1295
00:55:40,699 --> 00:55:38,579
saying it's been sanitized we're not

1296
00:55:42,829 --> 00:55:40,709
going to get anything new if it was

1297
00:55:44,630 --> 00:55:42,839
anything good was there we you know we'd

1298
00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:44,640
know about it some previous research

1299
00:55:50,769 --> 00:55:46,729
would have found and I said ray if

1300
00:55:54,939 --> 00:55:50,779
anyone could find what we're looking for

1301
00:55:58,999 --> 00:55:54,949
it would be you and I just had really

1302
00:56:02,469 --> 00:55:59,009
like I said talk about a close attention

1303
00:56:06,579 --> 00:56:02,479
to detail like I has a way of seeing

1304
00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:06,589
things that are in plain sight but

1305
00:56:11,420 --> 00:56:08,670
overlooks by everybody

1306
00:56:13,309 --> 00:56:11,430
and I know that Ray has gotten a lot of

1307
00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:13,319
flack over the years for certain aspects

1308
00:56:19,279 --> 00:56:17,609
of certain claims in his book well I can

1309
00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:19,289
tell you right now I can't reveal

1310
00:56:25,190 --> 00:56:21,869
exactly what but I can tell you that

1311
00:56:26,839 --> 00:56:25,200
there was a validation from a document

1312
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:26,849
in the National Archives which we

1313
00:56:32,420 --> 00:56:29,640
clearly Solis came and took with us that

1314
00:56:34,609 --> 00:56:32,430
brought it here to raise eyes that will

1315
00:56:37,700 --> 00:56:34,619
settle something once and for all and

1316
00:56:40,849 --> 00:56:37,710
I'm a huge huge huge thing but but but

1317
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,859
just in general I mean when I met up

1318
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:43,680
with you and you know for the you and

1319
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:45,510
Tracy or having all those folks out to

1320
00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:49,200
interview in LA a month or so ago you

1321
00:56:52,609 --> 00:56:50,609
mentioned that you were gonna cover the

1322
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:52,619
Socorro case of course the famous line

1323
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:54,690
is the moral case of 65 which Ray was

1324
00:56:58,910 --> 00:56:56,640
on-site within a couple of days and

1325
00:57:00,289 --> 00:56:58,920
wrote a whole book about it and you

1326
00:57:02,779 --> 00:57:00,299
mentioned you wanted to cover that case

1327
00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:02,789
and I said well James are you gonna talk

1328
00:57:09,859 --> 00:57:05,250
to Ray Stanford and he said ray who

1329
00:57:11,839 --> 00:57:09,869
basically and and I said you got to give

1330
00:57:14,089 --> 00:57:11,849
this guy a call and you really stuck

1331
00:57:16,670 --> 00:57:14,099
with it you gave him a call you had to

1332
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:16,680
go out to the DC area anyway so you were

1333
00:57:22,009 --> 00:57:19,410
able to go out there and it's like the

1334
00:57:23,900 --> 00:57:22,019
guests that arrived and didn't want to

1335
00:57:24,859 --> 00:57:23,910
leave for a week I mean you were there

1336
00:57:27,019 --> 00:57:24,869
back and forth

1337
00:57:29,329 --> 00:57:27,029
once or twice but you spent eight

1338
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,339
dollars knocking I think I was there the

1339
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,400
better part of 10 days yeah pretty much

1340
00:57:37,069 --> 00:57:34,799
8 to 10 days well I mean you got the

1341
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:37,079
full Raymond II everybody on the para

1342
00:57:40,220 --> 00:57:38,670
cast kind of you know when they hear

1343
00:57:43,039 --> 00:57:40,230
Ray's Stanford they roll their eyes and

1344
00:57:45,980 --> 00:57:43,049
go yeah yeah yeah it's you know Chris's

1345
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:45,990
obviously drank the the Ray kool-aid

1346
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:48,690
he's genuflect at the you know the the r

1347
00:57:52,759 --> 00:57:50,940
a Stanford fan club and in blah blah

1348
00:57:55,069 --> 00:57:52,769
blah you know I get a lot of disparaging

1349
00:57:57,890 --> 00:57:55,079
remarks about my absolute conviction

1350
00:58:00,200 --> 00:57:57,900
that this guy is the most important

1351
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:00,210
person in ufology what did you think I

1352
00:58:08,870 --> 00:58:05,730
have never met anyone with an attention

1353
00:58:13,220 --> 00:58:08,880
to detail in my entire life like Ray

1354
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,230
Stanford and just give one one I'll tell

1355
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,839
you one thing with the support of Mexico

1356
00:58:20,990 --> 00:58:18,720
case any controversy that I've ever

1357
00:58:28,300 --> 00:58:21,000
heard regarding any claims

1358
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:32,750
explained so thoroughly and so

1359
00:58:39,410 --> 00:58:36,090
unequivocally with all the evidence and

1360
00:58:42,020 --> 00:58:39,420
the letters and the photographs and the

1361
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:42,030
original I mean the guy has kept the

1362
00:58:48,410 --> 00:58:45,330
most evidence yeah evidence that I've

1363
00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:48,420
ever seen on any case other than the

1364
00:58:51,590 --> 00:58:50,040
only place you might find something

1365
00:58:55,460 --> 00:58:51,600
better or maybe you wouldn't would be

1366
00:58:58,010 --> 00:58:55,470
the archives in the Pentagon I mean he

1367
00:59:00,200 --> 00:58:58,020
kept them he kept the rock where the

1368
00:59:03,470 --> 00:59:00,210
landing gear hit he kept the bits of

1369
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:03,480
paper from scorched paper from the

1370
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:08,970
landing site he kept letters from you

1371
00:59:14,300 --> 00:59:12,570
know what Lonnie Zamora was very kind of

1372
00:59:16,820 --> 00:59:14,310
tight-lipped I guess you know even with

1373
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:16,830
his own family well Ray's got letters

1374
00:59:22,550 --> 00:59:20,250
from Lonnie Zamora daughter which he

1375
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:22,560
kept from 1981 and even more recent

1376
00:59:27,620 --> 00:59:24,690
stuff he's got correspondence with

1377
00:59:29,540 --> 00:59:27,630
Richard keyholders kids regarding the

1378
00:59:31,100 --> 00:59:29,550
incident regarding other aspects of the

1379
00:59:32,930 --> 00:59:31,110
case that nobody else really knows about

1380
00:59:34,250 --> 00:59:32,940
right and I think a lot of station

1381
00:59:36,170 --> 00:59:34,260
everybody thinks the Air Force

1382
00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:36,180
investigated the case but the Army is

1383
00:59:40,370 --> 00:59:39,000
holding on to the Army's hold on to it

1384
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:40,380
and there were a lot of other agencies

1385
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:42,890
that were there as well that were

1386
00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:44,970
investigating the case what did you

1387
00:59:50,090 --> 00:59:47,550
think of the photographs the one of him

1388
00:59:52,340 --> 00:59:50,100
taken a picture of J Allen Hynek taking

1389
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:52,350
a photograph in hynek's picture which

1390
00:59:57,500 --> 00:59:54,900
way also has that was taken within a

1391
01:00:00,110 --> 00:59:57,510
second of Ray's picture they both show

1392
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:00,120
what they both show these anomalous

1393
01:00:05,870 --> 01:00:03,450
objects in the sky and it's it's it's uh

1394
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,880
it was quite remarkable that not only

1395
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:08,460
did his photographs that he took of

1396
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:10,260
Hynek taking a photograph in the same

1397
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:12,450
direction from the back side of Hynek

1398
01:00:17,630 --> 01:00:14,610
but hynek's photograph which i believe

1399
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:17,640
is in the archives is there as well and

1400
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:19,260
and there are photographs in the

1401
01:00:23,630 --> 01:00:22,260
archives of ray Stanford at the landing

1402
01:00:26,780 --> 01:00:23,640
site within a couple of days of the

1403
01:00:28,970 --> 01:00:26,790
incident and I don't think it I think it

1404
01:00:30,530 --> 01:00:28,980
ray it kind of overlooked that till he

1405
01:00:33,380 --> 01:00:30,540
got the higher resolution version of

1406
01:00:34,860 --> 01:00:33,390
both photographs of these anomalous

1407
01:00:37,470 --> 01:00:34,870
objects in the air

1408
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:37,480
right around the lane sight within I

1409
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:39,610
think three days but that's right buddy

1410
01:00:43,290 --> 01:00:41,530
I was when they were over there three

1411
01:00:45,450 --> 01:00:43,300
days afterwards and he didn't recognize

1412
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:45,460
that there were objects there as you're

1413
01:00:50,670 --> 01:00:48,610
saying until a few years ago I think it

1414
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:50,680
was about five or six years ago when he

1415
01:00:54,900 --> 01:00:52,660
when he finally was able to digitize the

1416
01:00:58,950 --> 01:00:54,910
the image and blow it up and then he

1417
01:01:00,840 --> 01:00:58,960
found anomalous object he got access or

1418
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:00,850
I think he was sent hynek's original

1419
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:02,850
stereo one side of a stereo camera

1420
01:01:07,980 --> 01:01:05,170
photograph which you were referring to

1421
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:07,990
and then he observed that blew it up and

1422
01:01:11,820 --> 01:01:10,450
the same anomalous objects are in two

1423
01:01:14,850 --> 01:01:11,830
separate photographs from two different

1424
01:01:16,860 --> 01:01:14,860
analog cameras absolutely remarkable and

1425
01:01:20,670 --> 01:01:16,870
then not only that but you know there

1426
01:01:24,240 --> 01:01:20,680
was I'm not a physicist or a scientist

1427
01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:24,250
but Ray had the most plausible

1428
01:01:30,420 --> 01:01:28,300
explanation I've ever heard along with

1429
01:01:34,230 --> 01:01:30,430
evidence photographic and film evidence

1430
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:34,240
of the possible methods these objects

1431
01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:37,210
use to zip around in the sky without

1432
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:39,700
creating a sonic boom doing right angle

1433
01:01:44,430 --> 01:01:41,890
turns at high speed those explanations

1434
01:01:46,950 --> 01:01:44,440
were validated with other things I think

1435
01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:46,960
that NASA was discovering around the

1436
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:50,440
time that I don't even know how to

1437
01:01:56,340 --> 01:01:53,920
describe it is it like a somehow

1438
01:01:59,250 --> 01:01:56,350
electrifying the atmosphere around them

1439
01:02:01,050 --> 01:01:59,260
that causes a little vacuum that opens

1440
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:01,060
up and allows these things it's the air

1441
01:02:07,110 --> 01:02:02,890
spike that was patented by leaked memo

1442
01:02:09,210 --> 01:02:07,120
from Rensselaer tech the story was

1443
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:09,220
written about in Kris Lam brights book X

1444
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:12,250
that's descending but leaked Mirabeau

1445
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:14,290
found out the information by observing

1446
01:02:20,180 --> 01:02:17,200
Ray's presentation and he all of a

1447
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:20,190
sudden realized hey these objects are

1448
01:02:25,110 --> 01:02:23,260
shooting a beam of plasma ahead of it

1449
01:02:26,700 --> 01:02:25,120
which is like the bow of a ship it

1450
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:26,710
creates the atmosphere going around the

1451
01:02:32,130 --> 01:02:28,900
object negating the sonic boom which he

1452
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:32,140
went on and patented it you know I told

1453
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:33,730
ray I said I'll never look at these

1454
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:37,810
things that would do the same filter

1455
01:02:43,020 --> 01:02:40,990
after having you know and I just got the

1456
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:43,030
tip of the iceberg I mean I spent you

1457
01:02:48,210 --> 01:02:44,650
know the better part of eight eight or

1458
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:48,220
ten days with with Ray and he just you

1459
01:02:51,300 --> 01:02:48,640
know he

1460
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:51,310
he has spent thousands of hours

1461
01:02:54,750 --> 01:02:53,410
analyzing these things and he's a

1462
01:02:58,980 --> 01:02:54,760
scientist you know he's a very

1463
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:58,990
scientific and it was just it was uh it

1464
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:00,160
was incredible he was incredible

1465
01:03:04,650 --> 01:03:02,530
experience it was incredible to with the

1466
01:03:07,470 --> 01:03:04,660
level of scrutiny that Ray gives things

1467
01:03:09,690 --> 01:03:07,480
and I think that people that are easily

1468
01:03:13,770 --> 01:03:09,700
contreras eyes need to set a step back

1469
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:13,780
and put their judgment aside and review

1470
01:03:17,970 --> 01:03:15,220
some of the evidence that he has because

1471
01:03:20,220 --> 01:03:17,980
I think it was quite phenomenal so much

1472
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:20,230
more to talk about we have James Fox and

1473
01:03:25,650 --> 01:03:23,680
he's part of this new project called 701

1474
01:03:27,870 --> 01:03:25,660
the number of sightings list is

1475
01:03:29,370 --> 01:03:27,880
unidentified in Project Blue Book but

1476
01:03:32,130 --> 01:03:29,380
there probably thousands that can't be

1477
01:03:35,010 --> 01:03:32,140
explained so maybe he has to do a sequel

1478
01:03:37,470 --> 01:03:35,020
movie called seven thousand one or seven

1479
01:03:45,820 --> 01:03:37,480
hundred thousand one with gene and Chris

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okay during those eight days were you

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sentence or two because he talks up a

1595
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storm well he is a walking encyclopedia

1596
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no question about it is it's a it's

1597
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amazing how with the photos now he'll

1598
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have named eight that he remembers but I

1599
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did I have to take credit here I did get

1600
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a couple words in enough to drag him to

1601
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the National Archives break him away

1602
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from his home environment and I'd say we

1603
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spent several days at the National

1604
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Archives uncovering some amazing aspects

1605
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to the whole case but he definitely

1606
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could talked he's got a lot he's got a

1607
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lot to say now looking at saqqara I

1608
01:09:30,420 --> 01:09:28,060
gather from what you're saying James

1609
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:30,430
without going into every exquisite

1610
01:09:33,960 --> 01:09:32,260
detail then he has a lot more

1611
01:09:38,130 --> 01:09:33,970
information than he published in that

1612
01:09:40,020 --> 01:09:38,140
book yes absolutely and there was things

1613
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:40,030
that keep coming the more information

1614
01:09:45,329 --> 01:09:44,290
that keeps coming he had a video that he

1615
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:45,339
showed me and I don't know if I'm

1616
01:09:48,900 --> 01:09:46,930
allowed to say this or not guys I don't

1617
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know what I can say but it lets us say

1618
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:51,100
he had a video of a sit-down interview

1619
01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:53,410
that he did with dr. J Allen Hynek in

1620
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:56,410
the 70s that I don't think has ever seen

1621
01:10:03,060 --> 01:09:58,800
the light of day that reveals aspects

1622
01:10:03,959 --> 01:10:03,070
that reinforces his book and reveals

1623
01:10:06,270 --> 01:10:03,969
aspects

1624
01:10:08,699 --> 01:10:06,280
of his book and the case a lot of people

1625
01:10:11,549 --> 01:10:08,709
don't know about hynix endorsement of

1626
01:10:14,609 --> 01:10:11,559
his of his work and what he accomplished

1627
01:10:16,949 --> 01:10:14,619
that the Air Force did not and he and

1628
01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:16,959
Hynek even gives the impression that his

1629
01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:19,329
hands were tied on a number of cases on

1630
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a number of incidences of that case one

1631
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of which I think involved the occupants

1632
01:10:31,850 --> 01:10:28,360
that we're seeing i-i'll tell you right

1633
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now anyone that has any doubt of any

1634
01:10:37,140 --> 01:10:34,150
information presented in that book

1635
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spends any time with Ray Stanford that

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01:10:45,029 --> 01:10:41,400
that dad will be quick quickly gone I

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01:10:47,699 --> 01:10:45,039
was gonna ask your James did you at all

1638
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:47,709
bring up with Ray Stanford that article

1639
01:10:55,229 --> 01:10:50,530
from a fellow who says it was possibly a

1640
01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:55,239
hoax by college students oh yeah he

1641
01:11:00,839 --> 01:10:57,070
addressed that I think that's one of the

1642
01:11:02,819 --> 01:11:00,849
reasons why Ray came out from hiding it

1643
01:11:05,250 --> 01:11:02,829
with the okay I think he literally said

1644
01:11:07,979 --> 01:11:05,260
I had to step in and squash that whole

1645
01:11:09,959 --> 01:11:07,989
thing immediately you know and and this

1646
01:11:11,759 --> 01:11:09,969
is a joke I mean that's just it's not

1647
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even worth even wasting any words on

1648
01:11:15,810 --> 01:11:14,499
that on that whole theory because it

1649
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couldn't be further from the truth and

1650
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anyone who spends even five minutes with

1651
01:11:22,259 --> 01:11:20,499
some of the evidence will quickly

1652
01:11:24,779 --> 01:11:22,269
dismiss that I mean it's just absolute

1653
01:11:27,509 --> 01:11:24,789
hogwash now I should mention all

1654
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fairness we've invited tony burk alia

1655
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:29,679
who wrote that article to come on the

1656
01:11:33,629 --> 01:11:31,449
parent cast and he's given us many

1657
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reasons why he can't but the point being

1658
01:11:44,089 --> 01:11:35,889
that he's not accepted that invitation

1659
01:11:46,500 --> 01:11:44,099
so there you go up against Ray on that I

1660
01:11:49,290 --> 01:11:46,510
wouldn't want to debate ray on

1661
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:49,300
saccharine no way absolutely not Ray's

1662
01:11:58,020 --> 01:11:53,650
got every every letter every document

1663
01:11:59,219 --> 01:11:58,030
every things that even have aspects of

1664
01:12:00,810 --> 01:11:59,229
the case that haven't even seen the

1665
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:00,820
light of day and he's kept everything

1666
01:12:05,189 --> 01:12:02,289
I've never seen anyone keep such

1667
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:05,199
meticulous records he can diagnose the

1668
01:12:10,169 --> 01:12:07,570
vitrified Rock where the quartz crystals

1669
01:12:13,909 --> 01:12:10,179
have been melted into into glass I mean

1670
01:12:17,380 --> 01:12:13,919
from from the actual ground where the

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01:12:19,090 --> 01:12:17,390
engine fired up and the the flame

1672
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:19,100
instead of bouncing off the ground

1673
01:12:23,530 --> 01:12:21,890
sliced directly into the earth when it

1674
01:12:26,020 --> 01:12:23,540
took off and when it when it went to

1675
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:26,030
hover and then took off ray collected

1676
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:29,210
samples of the the rock and the quartz

1677
01:12:34,870 --> 01:12:31,610
crystals within those you know in

1678
01:12:38,440 --> 01:12:34,880
Scituate rooks or vitrified and and

1679
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:38,450
melted yeah I can't lie I looked at all

1680
01:12:44,380 --> 01:12:41,810
the paper and the rock and then the

1681
01:12:48,070 --> 01:12:44,390
diagrams I mean I've got from the

1682
01:12:50,530 --> 01:12:48,080
National Archives we've got I mean this

1683
01:12:52,450 --> 01:12:50,540
is just amazing you guys because I'm

1684
01:12:54,430 --> 01:12:52,460
looking at documents from Richard T

1685
01:12:56,620 --> 01:12:54,440
holders investigation he was on the site

1686
01:12:59,950 --> 01:12:56,630
within an hour and a half and it's Eve

1687
01:13:02,950 --> 01:12:59,960
it's got diagrams written on the landing

1688
01:13:07,060 --> 01:13:02,960
gear footprints in the soft sand from

1689
01:13:09,610 --> 01:13:07,070
the alleged occupants letters from you

1690
01:13:13,390 --> 01:13:09,620
mentioning the top-secret nature of this

1691
01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:13,400
case references from wright-patterson

1692
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:16,070
Air Force you know foreign technology

1693
01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:18,650
division making enquiries with every

1694
01:13:22,210 --> 01:13:19,970
known agency that could have been

1695
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:22,220
remotely responsible for that craft all

1696
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:24,410
of which responding that's definitely

1697
01:13:30,990 --> 01:13:27,170
not ours clearly in the National

1698
01:13:33,250 --> 01:13:31,000
Archives clearly the Air Force was

1699
01:13:35,530 --> 01:13:33,260
scrambling to come up with a prosaic

1700
01:13:39,580 --> 01:13:35,540
explanation of this case and couldn't

1701
01:13:41,140 --> 01:13:39,590
and never could so anyone who says you

1702
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:41,150
know anything I mean obviously we can't

1703
01:13:45,310 --> 01:13:42,770
definitively say what it was but you can

1704
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:45,320
damn well say what it wasn't and all the

1705
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:47,570
evidence points to the fact that it was

1706
01:13:52,810 --> 01:13:50,480
not of Earth origin well okay so let's

1707
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:52,820
go into that one thing and we can always

1708
01:13:58,690 --> 01:13:55,370
argue the point of origin but what makes

1709
01:14:00,820 --> 01:13:58,700
you think based on what you saw all the

1710
01:14:03,730 --> 01:14:00,830
time you spent with race Stanford then

1711
01:14:06,730 --> 01:14:03,740
it was not of hers origin well I mean

1712
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:06,740
you've got the dr. J Allen Hynek

1713
01:14:12,340 --> 01:14:09,590
comments you've got Richard keyholders

1714
01:14:14,410 --> 01:14:12,350
comments you've got all the letter of

1715
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correspondence between foreign

1716
01:14:18,820 --> 01:14:15,700
technology desk

1717
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:18,830
you've got clearly in there were

1718
01:14:22,570 --> 01:14:20,570
inquiries being made from the office of

1719
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:22,580
the president members of Congress the

1720
01:14:25,270 --> 01:14:23,210
media

1721
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:25,280
you've got the Air Force scrambling to

1722
01:14:28,990 --> 01:14:27,170
come up with an explanation a project

1723
01:14:30,970 --> 01:14:29,000
Berkley explanation they clearly

1724
01:14:33,550 --> 01:14:30,980
couldn't you've got the whole paper

1725
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:33,560
well documenting that you've got the

1726
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:34,850
footprints in the ground

1727
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:36,650
you've got the vitrified Rock from the

1728
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:39,770
takeoff you've got the love metal

1729
01:14:44,170 --> 01:14:41,450
samples that were stolen at Goddard

1730
01:14:45,400 --> 01:14:44,180
Space Flight Center metal samples stolen

1731
01:14:49,900 --> 01:14:45,410
from the Space Flight Center you've got

1732
01:14:51,970 --> 01:14:49,910
that whole paper trail and it's just the

1733
01:14:53,770 --> 01:14:51,980
evidence is overwhelming I mean it's so

1734
01:14:57,250 --> 01:14:53,780
then you've got all the other witnesses

1735
01:14:59,410 --> 01:14:57,260
in town I think there's I want to take a

1736
01:15:02,380 --> 01:14:59,420
guess I think it's about six or twelve

1737
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:02,390
other witnesses some of them went on the

1738
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record that saw this egg shaped craft

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01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:09,040
very very booms or actually filed

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statements with investigators yeah and

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there are articles that I have

1742
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:18,050
references to that we found in the

1743
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National Archives talking about the

1744
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other witnesses that of course the

1745
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airport's neglected to mention

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okay well James Socorro is one of a

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number of cases that you're going to

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highlight in your new film that you're

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producing the working title of 701 those

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cases that project Bluebook didn't want

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to tell you about why don't you give us

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a quick eye thumbnail sketch sort of

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where you know what what the project is

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the the the film and and also where

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you're at in the process and before he

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does that let's just point out that

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we're going to have to break in a couple

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of moments so I do want to just tell our

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listeners that when we have a gas

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scheduled we try to do it before it's

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months I weigh 182 pounds this is my

1872
01:20:40,830 --> 01:20:39,160
ideal weight I've noticed an increase

1873
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:40,840
that stamina greater for coverage for

1874
01:20:44,820 --> 01:20:42,850
workouts and an increase in my potency

1875
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:44,830
oh eight eight eight nine eight eight

1876
01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:46,930
three three to five or visit one world

1877
01:20:57,180 --> 01:20:54,930
this is the wrong flyer co-author of the

1878
01:20:59,980 --> 01:20:57,190
f1 cycle feed other books when you're

1879
01:21:08,890 --> 01:20:59,990
listening to the podcast

1880
01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:08,900
[Music]

1881
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:11,489
so we have James Fox joining gene and

1882
01:21:17,229 --> 01:21:13,530
Chris in the para cast before we broke

1883
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,239
Chris asked a question of James Fox

1884
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:20,400
would you like to follow up yeah 7:01

1885
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:22,530
tell us about the movie project well you

1886
01:21:27,740 --> 01:21:25,650
know when I finished out of the blue I

1887
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:27,750
did a revised version of out of the blue

1888
01:21:31,129 --> 01:21:29,340
it's kind of a long story I want to play

1889
01:21:33,259 --> 01:21:31,139
with all the details oh well tell our

1890
01:21:35,569 --> 01:21:33,269
listeners by the way go back through the

1891
01:21:37,700 --> 01:21:35,579
power cast archives check the various

1892
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:37,710
appearances from James Fox and you'll

1893
01:21:42,109 --> 01:21:40,409
understand out of the blue and all the

1894
01:21:43,729 --> 01:21:42,119
background so you don't have to have

1895
01:21:46,279 --> 01:21:43,739
them repeated here you can watch out of

1896
01:21:48,979 --> 01:21:46,289
the blue on Netflix - you know I we

1897
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:48,989
finished out of the blue in 2003 and we

1898
01:21:52,549 --> 01:21:50,730
sold it to NBC Universal and sci-fi

1899
01:21:55,700 --> 01:21:52,559
channel broadcasted but we were kind of

1900
01:21:58,069 --> 01:21:55,710
out of steam and we'd lost you know we

1901
01:21:59,870 --> 01:21:58,079
were out of financing and my co

1902
01:22:01,220 --> 01:21:59,880
producers we'd all kind of had enough we

1903
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:01,230
were working on a pretty aggressively

1904
01:22:05,660 --> 01:22:04,170
for five years but there were aspects of

1905
01:22:09,259 --> 01:22:05,670
the film that I really felt like I

1906
01:22:11,209 --> 01:22:09,269
didn't button up I didn't accomplish and

1907
01:22:12,620 --> 01:22:11,219
so when I got a letter from NBC

1908
01:22:14,450 --> 01:22:12,630
Universal a couple years after I think

1909
01:22:16,129 --> 01:22:14,460
in 2006 saying that they were not going

1910
01:22:18,140 --> 01:22:16,139
to renew the broadcast option I didn't

1911
01:22:19,700 --> 01:22:18,150
think they would anyway I decided to

1912
01:22:21,379 --> 01:22:19,710
kind of revisit the film and kind of

1913
01:22:23,509 --> 01:22:21,389
revamp it because I had bigger

1914
01:22:26,870 --> 01:22:23,519
aspirations for that movie in terms of

1915
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:26,880
distribution so I I picked the film back

1916
01:22:30,620 --> 01:22:28,530
up and kind of again it was very

1917
01:22:32,359 --> 01:22:30,630
difficult to persuade my like my co

1918
01:22:35,660 --> 01:22:32,369
producers to do it but long story short

1919
01:22:39,169 --> 01:22:35,670
we did and it kept expanding we did it I

1920
01:22:41,270 --> 01:22:39,179
think 35 40 % new material and and we I

1921
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:41,280
broke that story with the Governor of

1922
01:22:45,649 --> 01:22:43,440
Arizona and kind of catapulted us into

1923
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:45,659
the limelight for a little bit back in

1924
01:22:53,810 --> 01:22:48,840
2006 2007 and the film kept progressing

1925
01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:53,820
and there were some agents that that I

1926
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:56,250
brought on board that felt that you know

1927
01:22:59,899 --> 01:22:57,840
it was possible to put a film like that

1928
01:23:01,729 --> 01:22:59,909
in theaters if I kept kind of you know

1929
01:23:03,740 --> 01:23:01,739
modifying the film it's like it

1930
01:23:06,379 --> 01:23:03,750
massaging it massaging it for a couple

1931
01:23:08,629 --> 01:23:06,389
of years and then eventually it morphed

1932
01:23:10,879 --> 01:23:08,639
into I know what I saw and my goal was I

1933
01:23:13,279 --> 01:23:10,889
know what I saw was to create a film on

1934
01:23:15,020 --> 01:23:13,289
the subject of UFOs with some of the

1935
01:23:15,710 --> 01:23:15,030
most solid evidence the cases of which a

1936
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,720
lot of

1937
01:23:18,500 --> 01:23:17,280
you know you follow this or very

1938
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:18,510
familiar with but I wanted to pick good

1939
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:21,330
solid vetted cases and I wanted to

1940
01:23:25,430 --> 01:23:23,090
create something that could you know

1941
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:25,440
potentially be released in theaters well

1942
01:23:30,200 --> 01:23:26,970
I fell short of that goal and that's a

1943
01:23:33,080 --> 01:23:30,210
long story but I I certainly tried for

1944
01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:33,090
many many years and once again I ran out

1945
01:23:38,210 --> 01:23:35,610
in 2009 of funding I'd gone through

1946
01:23:40,340 --> 01:23:38,220
three or four separate funders I had to

1947
01:23:41,690 --> 01:23:40,350
buy out my previous partners I kept

1948
01:23:43,490 --> 01:23:41,700
pushing and pushing and pushing till I

1949
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:43,500
was you know hundreds of thousands of

1950
01:23:47,780 --> 01:23:46,170
dollars in debt and a deal came on the

1951
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:47,790
table for Mamie on the History Channel

1952
01:23:51,260 --> 01:23:49,440
and my investors wouldn't let me pass it

1953
01:23:52,430 --> 01:23:51,270
up yeah you know and everyone says well

1954
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:52,440
you know you did really well and you got

1955
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:53,730
the History Channel and you made your

1956
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:55,770
money back in blah blah but that wasn't

1957
01:24:00,860 --> 01:23:57,960
my goal I mean I didn't spend years and

1958
01:24:02,360 --> 01:24:00,870
years and years of my life to create

1959
01:24:05,090 --> 01:24:02,370
another television documentary I was

1960
01:24:06,890 --> 01:24:05,100
really had bigger dreams for it but you

1961
01:24:08,150 --> 01:24:06,900
know like I said I mean it was a large

1962
01:24:10,700 --> 01:24:08,160
enough amount of money that I was in

1963
01:24:12,110 --> 01:24:10,710
debt over that I you know in fairness to

1964
01:24:13,700 --> 01:24:12,120
my investors that put hundreds of

1965
01:24:16,190 --> 01:24:13,710
thousand dollars if we couldn't pass it

1966
01:24:18,140 --> 01:24:16,200
up so that we did the deal anyone and I

1967
01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:18,150
remember being kind of disappointed with

1968
01:24:21,860 --> 01:24:20,250
the whole thing and my dad pulled me

1969
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,870
aside he's like ah son you know don't

1970
01:24:24,590 --> 01:24:23,520
don't get so hard on yourself look at

1971
01:24:25,820 --> 01:24:24,600
what you did accomplished you know you

1972
01:24:28,610 --> 01:24:25,830
should really tell yourself on the back

1973
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:28,620
blah blah blah so anyway so I kind of

1974
01:24:31,580 --> 01:24:30,270
brushed that off and I started getting

1975
01:24:32,780 --> 01:24:31,590
involved with other projects that I

1976
01:24:35,090 --> 01:24:32,790
really wasn't sure where I could go

1977
01:24:36,650 --> 01:24:35,100
after that and I was working I'm working

1978
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:36,660
on a film that I'm just entered into

1979
01:24:39,710 --> 01:24:38,130
Sundance Film Festival cross your

1980
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:39,720
fingers pretty slick on the BP oil spill

1981
01:24:44,630 --> 01:24:43,170
I get a call from Tracy Torme and he's

1982
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:44,640
like hey he just happened to see one of

1983
01:24:48,290 --> 01:24:46,410
the rerun shows on History Channel I

1984
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,300
know what I saw and he really wanted to

1985
01:24:52,340 --> 01:24:51,120
talk to me so long story short he says

1986
01:24:54,110 --> 01:24:52,350
you know I've had this dream and I

1987
01:24:55,730 --> 01:24:54,120
wasn't gonna revisit UFOs I've got so

1988
01:24:57,020 --> 01:24:55,740
many other interests but I decided after

1989
01:24:57,440 --> 01:24:57,030
seeing your film and a couple of other

1990
01:25:00,800 --> 01:24:57,450
things

1991
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:00,810
Lesley Kane's book I guess to you know

1992
01:25:08,120 --> 01:25:04,080
to give it one more shot in this in this

1993
01:25:10,910 --> 01:25:08,130
field and and his dream was you know the

1994
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:10,920
answer a UFO documentary feature that

1995
01:25:15,710 --> 01:25:12,570
could be we've you know be released in

1996
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:15,720
films accessible sorry theaters I said

1997
01:25:18,830 --> 01:25:17,190
Tracy that was my dream as well and

1998
01:25:20,540 --> 01:25:18,840
that's what the hopes I had with the

1999
01:25:22,580 --> 01:25:20,550
newer version of out of the blue and

2000
01:25:25,820 --> 01:25:22,590
once again with I know what I saw and I

2001
01:25:29,089 --> 01:25:25,830
failed and so having a list scriptwriter

2002
01:25:31,069 --> 01:25:29,099
on board we decided to kind of team up

2003
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:31,079
and you know everyone's saying well how

2004
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:32,010
you guys going to make this thing

2005
01:25:35,989 --> 01:25:33,689
different what hasn't been done how you

2006
01:25:37,689 --> 01:25:35,999
gonna put in theaters and tray system

2007
01:25:40,969 --> 01:25:37,699
well you know I think the core approach

2008
01:25:42,589 --> 01:25:40,979
should be and I started believing this

2009
01:25:44,899 --> 01:25:42,599
more and more the more I've learned well

2010
01:25:46,669 --> 01:25:44,909
more I learn about the whole field the

2011
01:25:49,429 --> 01:25:46,679
more I realize how much I don't know and

2012
01:25:51,500 --> 01:25:49,439
you know Tracy I you know I I'm starting

2013
01:25:53,750 --> 01:25:51,510
to think after 25 30 years of research

2014
01:25:56,060 --> 01:25:53,760
that you know everyone thinks it's this

2015
01:25:57,949 --> 01:25:56,070
huge big cover-up in some respects there

2016
01:25:59,419 --> 01:25:57,959
is a cover-up but in other respects the

2017
01:26:01,209 --> 01:25:59,429
very reasons for that cover-up might be

2018
01:26:04,639 --> 01:26:01,219
entirely different and maybe we should

2019
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:04,649
consider this approach and that is yes

2020
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:07,050
that are clearly real but maybe the

2021
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:09,449
reason for this big cover-up is the fact

2022
01:26:17,389 --> 01:26:13,070
that the government just doesn't know

2023
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:17,399
what mm we could ever be exactly so yeah

2024
01:26:21,709 --> 01:26:19,260
there is tangible evidence being

2025
01:26:23,959 --> 01:26:21,719
withheld from the general public of

2026
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:23,969
their existence but that doesn't mean

2027
01:26:28,009 --> 01:26:25,530
that they know anything more than you

2028
01:26:29,569 --> 01:26:28,019
know anybody else yeah they know their

2029
01:26:31,219 --> 01:26:29,579
riffle maybe they don't know whether it

2030
01:26:32,869 --> 01:26:31,229
comes from maybe they don't know what

2031
01:26:34,790 --> 01:26:32,879
they're doing here maybe they we have no

2032
01:26:36,919 --> 01:26:34,800
idea I mean we're we're like in

2033
01:26:39,259 --> 01:26:36,929
kindergarten you know so we really I

2034
01:26:41,149 --> 01:26:39,269
really like this this approach and so

2035
01:26:43,399 --> 01:26:41,159
7:01 we're going to be dealing with

2036
01:26:45,589 --> 01:26:43,409
other cases not just cases from Project

2037
01:26:47,899 --> 01:26:45,599
Blue Book but we kind of like the the

2038
01:26:50,359 --> 01:26:47,909
idea of seven along the ambiguity of it

2039
01:26:51,949 --> 01:26:50,369
like first of all from a marketing

2040
01:26:53,449 --> 01:26:51,959
standpoint it's it could get people

2041
01:26:55,459 --> 01:26:53,459
talking and ice creating a little buzz

2042
01:26:57,619 --> 01:26:55,469
but what the number actually represents

2043
01:27:01,639 --> 01:26:57,629
is what the government didn't know and

2044
01:27:04,279 --> 01:27:01,649
that is the 701 cases out of 12,000 618

2045
01:27:06,139 --> 01:27:04,289
from Project Blue Book and sign and

2046
01:27:07,819 --> 01:27:06,149
grudge that they couldn't explain and

2047
01:27:11,509 --> 01:27:07,829
that they were labeled unidentified and

2048
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:11,519
so it's more symbolic the number doesn't

2049
01:27:14,479 --> 01:27:12,570
necessarily mean they will be dealing

2050
01:27:17,359 --> 01:27:14,489
just with those cases we're looking for

2051
01:27:20,810 --> 01:27:17,369
more recent cases as well but that's

2052
01:27:22,429 --> 01:27:20,820
that's in a nutshell what we want to do

2053
01:27:23,989 --> 01:27:22,439
and what we want to accomplish was 7 I

2054
01:27:26,540 --> 01:27:23,999
wanted to create a documentary feature

2055
01:27:29,330 --> 01:27:26,550
film for a worldwide patrocle release

2056
01:27:31,339 --> 01:27:29,340
okay in addition to Saqqara

2057
01:27:33,859 --> 01:27:31,349
were there any or any other important

2058
01:27:35,389 --> 01:27:33,869
cases that raised Stanford presented

2059
01:27:37,489 --> 01:27:35,399
that you're going to talk about the film

2060
01:27:39,859 --> 01:27:37,499
yeah I mean there's you know rays

2061
01:27:42,259 --> 01:27:39,869
hitting on some filmed footage of some

2062
01:27:44,509 --> 01:27:42,269
stuff and there

2063
01:27:46,939 --> 01:27:44,519
one of the things that was brought up

2064
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,949
early on before we even met with Rey was

2065
01:27:50,779 --> 01:27:48,719
why don't we talk about the possible

2066
01:27:53,569 --> 01:27:50,789
physics behind these things what do we

2067
01:27:54,830 --> 01:27:53,579
know and and I think it's a great idea

2068
01:27:56,779 --> 01:27:54,840
obviously we're going to have to

2069
01:27:59,299 --> 01:27:56,789
speculate to a certain extent but

2070
01:28:01,700 --> 01:27:59,309
speculate on informed speculation I

2071
01:28:03,919 --> 01:28:01,710
would say yeah rating on the only

2072
01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:03,929
information that really even addresses

2073
01:28:07,459 --> 01:28:05,940
that subject really and Rey you know

2074
01:28:09,919 --> 01:28:07,469
kind of solidified that for me that

2075
01:28:12,529 --> 01:28:09,929
whole visit was that these are aspects I

2076
01:28:15,560 --> 01:28:12,539
think that clearly need to be addressed

2077
01:28:18,739 --> 01:28:15,570
and mentioned in the film by doing so

2078
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:18,749
you know bringing in some people Rey and

2079
01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:21,210
and people like Ray to talk about the

2080
01:28:25,819 --> 01:28:23,489
possible physics behind these objects

2081
01:28:26,839 --> 01:28:25,829
which I think is a fascinating angle of

2082
01:28:28,189 --> 01:28:26,849
it but that's not going to be the

2083
01:28:29,899 --> 01:28:28,199
obviously clearly the only thing we want

2084
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:29,909
to do we want to talk about review

2085
01:28:34,069 --> 01:28:32,489
different hypotheses possibly and people

2086
01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:34,079
that could I know it's going to be once

2087
01:28:38,089 --> 01:28:36,179
again kind of speculation but that's

2088
01:28:39,739 --> 01:28:38,099
something that I never really explored

2089
01:28:41,509 --> 01:28:39,749
with I know what I saw

2090
01:28:43,609 --> 01:28:41,519
we talked more about you know cases and

2091
01:28:45,259 --> 01:28:43,619
you saw the evidence and you heard from

2092
01:28:47,270 --> 01:28:45,269
the witnesses but then we didn't really

2093
01:28:49,009 --> 01:28:47,280
go any further on it do you mean well

2094
01:28:52,009 --> 01:28:49,019
the big thing here the big thing here

2095
01:28:54,379 --> 01:28:52,019
James is that there are theories other

2096
01:28:56,660 --> 01:28:54,389
than et but that doesn't mean

2097
01:28:58,430 --> 01:28:56,670
necessarily conventional explanations or

2098
01:29:00,200 --> 01:28:58,440
other things that might be going on that

2099
01:29:01,580 --> 01:29:00,210
need to be explored now let me ask you

2100
01:29:03,470 --> 01:29:01,590
to which will be the obvious question

2101
01:29:05,390 --> 01:29:03,480
it's gonna be strictly about UFOs you

2102
01:29:07,279 --> 01:29:05,400
won't go into possible relationships

2103
01:29:08,540 --> 01:29:07,289
with other stuff what do you mean by

2104
01:29:11,180 --> 01:29:08,550
that sorry I'm not quite clear of that

2105
01:29:12,319 --> 01:29:11,190
question okay well the fact that UFO

2106
01:29:14,239 --> 01:29:12,329
sightings are sometimes seeing

2107
01:29:16,419 --> 01:29:14,249
connection with sightings of strange

2108
01:29:19,069 --> 01:29:16,429
creatures and other stuff like that

2109
01:29:21,259 --> 01:29:19,079
strange stuff we've talked internally

2110
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:21,269
about this because it's a very slippery

2111
01:29:28,189 --> 01:29:25,050
slope and we want to reach a very broad

2112
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:28,199
audience and in doing so we clearly need

2113
01:29:34,100 --> 01:29:30,690
to take note that you know once you

2114
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:34,110
delve into some of the more bizarre not

2115
01:29:37,879 --> 01:29:36,690
the UFOs in general orcas are but when

2116
01:29:39,770 --> 01:29:37,889
you start to really delve into some of

2117
01:29:42,529 --> 01:29:39,780
the more truly bizarre aspects of the

2118
01:29:44,330 --> 01:29:42,539
phenomenon you know one risks losing the

2119
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:44,340
interest of mainstream because we're not

2120
01:29:47,989 --> 01:29:46,380
here to you know preach to the choir we

2121
01:29:50,089 --> 01:29:47,999
want to appeal to a much broader

2122
01:29:52,729 --> 01:29:50,099
audience because we feel that at least

2123
01:29:54,890 --> 01:29:52,739
addressing some of these presenting the

2124
01:29:55,910 --> 01:29:54,900
evidence in a digestible fashion for

2125
01:29:58,430 --> 01:29:55,920
mainstream so

2126
01:30:00,410 --> 01:29:58,440
yes we want to address him we don't know

2127
01:30:02,660 --> 01:30:00,420
right now I mean we're kind of exploring

2128
01:30:04,430 --> 01:30:02,670
how far out we're going to go and it

2129
01:30:07,310 --> 01:30:04,440
really depends on what we come up with

2130
01:30:07,700 --> 01:30:07,320
and review and consider it you know what

2131
01:30:12,500 --> 01:30:07,710
I mean

2132
01:30:14,390 --> 01:30:12,510
the whole movie right now with a close

2133
01:30:16,220 --> 01:30:14,400
encounter of the Third Kind I mean

2134
01:30:19,310 --> 01:30:16,230
that's great place that we start that in

2135
01:30:22,189 --> 01:30:19,320
the x-files in 92 well yeah what are you

2136
01:30:23,419 --> 01:30:22,199
reading Keystone cases besides Socorro

2137
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and Roswell that you're gonna be

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gonna touch on Roswell

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always ask a question almost always at

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the end of a segment giving you a couple

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of minutes to digest the question and

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giving our guests a chance to come up

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with an answer James Fox you're joining

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us today the film is 701 the working

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title Chris asks you a question just

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ahead of the break what's your response

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yeah what what the key case is that

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you're going to be kind of adorning the

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rest of the piece on so Kouros one are

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you gonna be mentioning Roswell for

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instance one of the cases are you gonna

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look at we've been talking with Don

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01:35:36,229 --> 01:35:34,050
Schmitt about some possible new angles

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on Roswell we're on the fence with it

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01:35:39,759 --> 01:35:37,979
right now I mean there's a possibility

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01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:39,769
if we come up with some really new

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compelling evidence that we would

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consider touching on Roswell because

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it's a part of the whole history you

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know we want to obviously give a broad

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stroke sort of snapshot I guess history

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of you know you follow Jesus I mean the

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starting with I mean we can go way back

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but in terms of the modern day the wave

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of 47 you know the issue the capital

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building being buzzed in 52 we've been

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talking a lot about that

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Don's been pointing us at some possible

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new evidence with the whole Roswell case

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because it really have some new

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interesting compelling stuff than we

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would what we're exploring all of this

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stuff there's some cases like the ruler

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Zimbabwe case in Africa that I've been

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pushing hard for it I think it's really

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compelling with all the school children

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right I know that John Mac went fairly

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early on and investigated I've been kind

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01:36:34,850 --> 01:36:33,150
of pushing hard for that one just

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because I don't know it's something very

2289
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compelling about all the testimony of

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those articulate eight to twelve year

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old school children and you know Close

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Encounters of the Third Kind once again

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and that's dealing with some pretty

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radical stuff like telepathy and things

2295
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:48,869
like that nice but I find that that case

2296
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very compelling I don't think there's

2297
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hardly anything ever done on that case

2298
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no no not really

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well done I mean there have been some

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segments I think sightings covered at

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UFO FILES or there have been a few but

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how about bohemia' yeah the Virginia

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case you know I initially a couple years

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ago I was very skeptical of that case

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because I remember thinking come on man

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little creatures in the town UFO crap I

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mean really 1996 I mean this is not that

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long ago it's like the the Roswell of

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Brazil and I was extremely skeptical and

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I got invited to give a little

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presentation completely unrelated to

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Virginia in in Brazil and a friend of

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mine was like oh you're gonna go to

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Brazil you got to look into the Virginia

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case and I kind of looked I'd heard

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about it but I just said I'll come on

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man aliens walking through the town I

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mean please and I went there twice and

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after the second time I went I am pretty

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well convinced that that happened I met

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with some of the primary witnesses the

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first hand eye witnesses that saw the

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creatures they never said you know et

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they thought it was more a manifestation

2325
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of the devil these women were absolutely

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terrified

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it has plagued them to death they were

2328
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offered money by the Air Force to recant

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their statements and say that they lied

2330
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they didn't do that it's ruined their

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lives basically they can't get job

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locally because you know I met with

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these people I met with members of the

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so here I discover that you know

2335
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everyone I'm so sorry you gonna cover

2336
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that in 701 I'm pushing for it I'm

2337
01:38:29,850 --> 01:38:27,010
pushing for it Morris

2338
01:38:32,670 --> 01:38:29,860
have you done anything about the 79 to

2339
01:38:34,710 --> 01:38:32,680
81 cases at the Amazon

2340
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yeah I looked into that where the people

2341
01:38:39,210 --> 01:38:37,990
got zapped yeah yeah I definitely looked

2342
01:38:40,830 --> 01:38:39,220
into that while I was there that's a

2343
01:38:43,890 --> 01:38:40,840
very interesting case as well and it's

2344
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:43,900
um you know recent enough I think it was

2345
01:38:48,570 --> 01:38:45,130
at 79 or something

2346
01:38:51,390 --> 01:38:48,580
yeah 79 80 Bob Pratt of course a

2347
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longtime investigator for of all people

2348
01:38:55,440 --> 01:38:53,620
the National Enquirer he wrote a book

2349
01:38:57,680 --> 01:38:55,450
about it of course Jacques Vallee

2350
01:38:59,850 --> 01:38:57,690
covered it in his book confrontations

2351
01:39:02,370 --> 01:38:59,860
there's a lot of very compelling

2352
01:39:05,970 --> 01:39:02,380
evidence including autopsy reports on

2353
01:39:07,980 --> 01:39:05,980
people that were killed by UFOs yeah

2354
01:39:09,870 --> 01:39:07,990
it's a crazy

2355
01:39:11,490 --> 01:39:09,880
and I haven't looked in I remember

2356
01:39:13,740 --> 01:39:11,500
reading all about it when I was there

2357
01:39:16,170 --> 01:39:13,750
and actually talking because I was

2358
01:39:17,490 --> 01:39:16,180
investigating in Virginia and then some

2359
01:39:19,590 --> 01:39:17,500
researchers there were like well you

2360
01:39:20,670 --> 01:39:19,600
gotta know about operation plateau or

2361
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:20,680
something like that I think they called

2362
01:39:26,700 --> 01:39:23,530
it yeah I forget the actual brazilian

2363
01:39:29,730 --> 01:39:26,710
air force designation but the films that

2364
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:29,740
they the air force by the way took have

2365
01:39:34,770 --> 01:39:31,930
yet to be declassified although they

2366
01:39:37,170 --> 01:39:34,780
claim they Declassified all the evidence

2367
01:39:39,210 --> 01:39:37,180
that they have in their files they've

2368
01:39:41,940 --> 01:39:39,220
given over to civilian investigators but

2369
01:39:45,170 --> 01:39:41,950
the film footage that we know was taken

2370
01:39:47,420 --> 01:39:45,180
of some huge mothership craft that are

2371
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:47,430
discharging the troopas the small

2372
01:39:51,180 --> 01:39:49,210
refrigerator-sized craft that went

2373
01:39:53,820 --> 01:39:51,190
through the jungle and zapped people at

2374
01:39:56,430 --> 01:39:53,830
night I think 14 if I remember correctly

2375
01:39:58,920 --> 01:39:56,440
that footage has never been revealed to

2376
01:40:00,840 --> 01:39:58,930
the public and the full story of the

2377
01:40:02,820 --> 01:40:00,850
Brazilian Air Force investigation has

2378
01:40:05,790 --> 01:40:02,830
never been revealed that doesn't

2379
01:40:08,820 --> 01:40:05,800
surprise me I mean but you know I I

2380
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:08,830
talked to a guy who was my translator

2381
01:40:13,170 --> 01:40:10,960
actually at my presentation whose father

2382
01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:13,180
was a general in the Brazilian Air Force

2383
01:40:18,900 --> 01:40:16,510
and his father was got cancer and I

2384
01:40:20,610 --> 01:40:18,910
guess the son had constantly been asking

2385
01:40:23,700 --> 01:40:20,620
his father about you know the reality of

2386
01:40:25,470 --> 01:40:23,710
UFOs and then when his father realized

2387
01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:25,480
he had cancer he brought his son in and

2388
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:27,310
I met his son and spent time with her

2389
01:40:32,010 --> 01:40:29,850
son number of days and he was shown

2390
01:40:33,540 --> 01:40:32,020
photographic evidence conclusive

2391
01:40:38,010 --> 01:40:33,550
photographic evidence of cases

2392
01:40:39,570 --> 01:40:38,020
throughout Brazil for decades that you

2393
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:39,580
know he was I think he was given five

2394
01:40:43,740 --> 01:40:41,650
minutes with with the folder and he's

2395
01:40:45,180 --> 01:40:43,750
you know he talked a little bit about

2396
01:40:47,100 --> 01:40:45,190
that and that wouldn't surprise me if

2397
01:40:49,410 --> 01:40:47,110
some of that evidence was was that case

2398
01:40:51,780 --> 01:40:49,420
in 79 but the kid said it was it was

2399
01:40:53,280 --> 01:40:51,790
irrefutable photographic evidence wow

2400
01:40:55,710 --> 01:40:53,290
that would be great stuff to see on the

2401
01:40:57,480 --> 01:40:55,720
big screen bro you hear these stories I

2402
01:41:00,840 --> 01:40:57,490
mean I could give you people have been

2403
01:41:02,910 --> 01:41:00,850
criticizing me for putting out a

2404
01:41:04,260 --> 01:41:02,920
$100,000 reward for evidence I mean to

2405
01:41:06,450 --> 01:41:04,270
be honest with you if I had a million

2406
01:41:09,930 --> 01:41:06,460
dollars I would put it in there I would

2407
01:41:13,230 --> 01:41:09,940
somehow create a prize in the most

2408
01:41:14,550 --> 01:41:13,240
transparent way possible where any of

2409
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:14,560
this evidence would see the light of day

2410
01:41:18,660 --> 01:41:17,410
I mean granted I know over all the

2411
01:41:20,250 --> 01:41:18,670
interviews I've been I know there's a

2412
01:41:20,910 --> 01:41:20,260
lot of hokey stuff out there believe me

2413
01:41:22,979 --> 01:41:20,920
I'm very well

2414
01:41:25,650 --> 01:41:22,989
that raising amperage to win that prize

2415
01:41:27,570 --> 01:41:25,660
well you know going back to some of the

2416
01:41:30,930 --> 01:41:27,580
people like Gordon Cooper that I

2417
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:30,940
interviewed in the 90s talking about the

2418
01:41:34,169 --> 01:41:32,530
filmed footage of a landed saucer at

2419
01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:34,179
Edwards Air Force Base I mean it sounds

2420
01:41:37,800 --> 01:41:36,190
kind of really out there but you know

2421
01:41:39,410 --> 01:41:37,810
there are cases at Holloman Air Force

2422
01:41:41,550 --> 01:41:39,420
Base and Edwards Air Force Base

2423
01:41:43,020 --> 01:41:41,560
Vandenberg Air Force Base where I've met

2424
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:43,030
with military officers that told us

2425
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:45,610
about filmed evidence of a landed UFO I

2426
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:47,050
mean that would be pretty damn

2427
01:41:52,290 --> 01:41:49,810
remarkable obviously and I'm quite

2428
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:52,300
convinced that stuff exists Ray's got

2429
01:41:56,250 --> 01:41:55,090
some amazing film footage he didn't I

2430
01:41:59,850 --> 01:41:56,260
didn't get it unfortunately I saw the

2431
01:42:01,200 --> 01:41:59,860
each scanned frame but I didn't get to

2432
01:42:02,970 --> 01:42:01,210
see the film plane and what I'm really

2433
01:42:04,350 --> 01:42:02,980
trying to encourage writer to have that

2434
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:04,360
stuff transferred because I think that

2435
01:42:08,550 --> 01:42:06,310
it should it's time yeah you and me

2436
01:42:10,860 --> 01:42:08,560
buddy but in Cho's of the all factor of

2437
01:42:13,110 --> 01:42:10,870
a landing craft at Holloman filmed

2438
01:42:15,810 --> 01:42:13,120
officially or Edwards you know I'm quite

2439
01:42:18,180 --> 01:42:15,820
convinced that stuff does exist maybe

2440
01:42:21,300 --> 01:42:18,190
with the right dollar amount it would

2441
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:21,310
resurface I don't know I mean there's

2442
01:42:25,110 --> 01:42:23,410
other countries and since I know in

2443
01:42:26,970 --> 01:42:25,120
Brazil you were just talking about stuff

2444
01:42:28,500 --> 01:42:26,980
you know maybe one of these retired

2445
01:42:30,419 --> 01:42:28,510
officers could sneak some of this stuff

2446
01:42:32,220 --> 01:42:30,429
out for the right price I don't know I

2447
01:42:35,010 --> 01:42:32,230
have a question to ask you James before

2448
01:42:37,110 --> 01:42:35,020
we go on and that is should we think

2449
01:42:39,930 --> 01:42:37,120
that all this supposedly secret

2450
01:42:41,669 --> 01:42:39,940
information is being held by the

2451
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:41,679
government or are they possibly

2452
01:42:46,110 --> 01:42:44,170
funneling it off to private industry

2453
01:42:47,610 --> 01:42:46,120
because that gives them plausible

2454
01:42:48,959 --> 01:42:47,620
deniability well we don't know anything

2455
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:48,969
about it we're telling you the truth

2456
01:42:53,580 --> 01:42:51,489
because some private company out there

2457
01:42:56,130 --> 01:42:53,590
were not accountable to anyone has it

2458
01:42:58,290 --> 01:42:56,140
well you know I did a video a couple of

2459
01:43:00,600 --> 01:42:58,300
years ago in San Diego for a woman named

2460
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:00,610
Jan Seacrest it was just the videos a

2461
01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:03,280
little I do editing and film stuff on

2462
01:43:07,919 --> 01:43:05,710
the side and I was doing a life span of

2463
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:07,929
her husband who was in his 80s really

2464
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:12,370
fun stuff and very well-to-do a couple

2465
01:43:18,090 --> 01:43:15,610
lives in the hills in San Diego and

2466
01:43:19,740 --> 01:43:18,100
she's no James what else you know what

2467
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:19,750
were your other interests and of course

2468
01:43:23,459 --> 01:43:21,280
reluctantly brought up UFOs and

2469
01:43:24,630 --> 01:43:23,469
expecting her to kind of laugh and she

2470
01:43:26,729 --> 01:43:24,640
said well gosh you know there's

2471
01:43:30,930 --> 01:43:26,739
something nice I'd like to tell you when

2472
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:30,940
I was in college the guy who was across

2473
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:33,850
from our dorm was general Nathan twining

2474
01:43:37,810 --> 01:43:34,730
son

2475
01:43:42,130 --> 01:43:37,820
and back and I think it was either the

2476
01:43:44,110 --> 01:43:42,140
50s late 50s he one night was having

2477
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:44,120
drinks with her and her girlfriend in

2478
01:43:48,940 --> 01:43:46,610
their dorm room and he told her and this

2479
01:43:51,220 --> 01:43:48,950
is she in a her mouth to my ear she said

2480
01:43:53,740 --> 01:43:51,230
he he had a couple drinks in the one

2481
01:43:57,100 --> 01:43:53,750
nine he told us that his father had

2482
01:44:00,430 --> 01:43:57,110
shown him in an underground room in the

2483
01:44:02,980 --> 01:44:00,440
Pentagon all this incredible UFO

2484
01:44:04,660 --> 01:44:02,990
evidence and photographic evidence and

2485
01:44:06,700 --> 01:44:04,670
filmed evidence and there was a whole

2486
01:44:08,620 --> 01:44:06,710
vault underneath the Pentagon she's like

2487
01:44:10,450 --> 01:44:08,630
I've been sitting on that story since he

2488
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:10,460
told me that back in the late 50s I

2489
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:13,010
think it was the late 50s early 60s and

2490
01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:14,480
I'm in touch with her to this day

2491
01:44:18,790 --> 01:44:15,850
of course I'm trying to track down

2492
01:44:19,870 --> 01:44:18,800
Nathan xx and son I've been trying she's

2493
01:44:21,130 --> 01:44:19,880
been actually trying to help me do that

2494
01:44:22,600 --> 01:44:21,140
as well but you know you hear these

2495
01:44:26,380 --> 01:44:22,610
little tidbits and you think boy it

2496
01:44:27,850 --> 01:44:26,390
makes sense an engineer you know Gordon

2497
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:27,860
Cooper mercury astronaut Gordon Cooper

2498
01:44:32,170 --> 01:44:30,290
tell me both on and off camera

2499
01:44:34,420 --> 01:44:32,180
that he personally held some of this

2500
01:44:36,610 --> 01:44:34,430
evidence in his hands of a landed saucer

2501
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,620
filmed evidence and it was you know

2502
01:44:40,330 --> 01:44:38,480
cured it off the Washington never to see

2503
01:44:42,460 --> 01:44:40,340
the light of day they've got to be

2504
01:44:44,830 --> 01:44:42,470
keeping this stuff somewhere right

2505
01:44:47,140 --> 01:44:44,840
nickel for all the gun camera footage

2506
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:47,150
that they must have just just that alone

2507
01:44:51,670 --> 01:44:49,760
I know believe me I know and I know that

2508
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:51,680
stuff exists I'm just I'm actually

2509
01:44:56,860 --> 01:44:53,810
convinced but what is it gonna take to

2510
01:44:58,450 --> 01:44:56,870
get it out I don't know you know I've we

2511
01:45:00,460 --> 01:44:58,460
have a couple we currently have a couple

2512
01:45:01,630 --> 01:45:00,470
of leads on a few things that I'm

2513
01:45:03,730 --> 01:45:01,640
falling you know you have to you have to

2514
01:45:05,650 --> 01:45:03,740
follow up every every possible lead on

2515
01:45:07,810 --> 01:45:05,660
this stuff and well let me know please

2516
01:45:09,580 --> 01:45:07,820
know that majority of it was in lead to

2517
01:45:11,500 --> 01:45:09,590
nowhere but we you know I continue to

2518
01:45:14,290 --> 01:45:11,510
try because I know it's out there here's

2519
01:45:16,660 --> 01:45:14,300
some of what's out there what's out

2520
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2521
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2539
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2540
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2541
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2542
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2543
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2544
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forcing taxes to service debt this

2545
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capitalism or was Jefferson correct when

2546
01:46:22,700 --> 01:46:21,060
stating a central bank issuing the

2547
01:46:23,810 --> 01:46:22,710
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2548
01:46:25,190 --> 01:46:23,820
the liberties of the people than a

2549
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:25,200
standing army today understand I'm

2550
01:46:28,460 --> 01:46:26,610
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2551
01:46:31,910 --> 01:46:28,470
that explains our monetary system call

2552
01:46:35,090 --> 01:46:31,920
for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

2553
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2554
01:46:42,980 --> 01:46:40,350
that's 800 686 to 237 attention citizens

2555
01:46:45,260 --> 01:46:42,990
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2556
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:45,270
not now's your chance to get prepared at

2557
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2558
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2559
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2560
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2561
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2562
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2563
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2564
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2565
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2566
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up on freeze-dried food are you curious

2567
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2568
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2569
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2570
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2571
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2573
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2577
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2579
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2580
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2581
01:47:52,430 --> 01:47:48,770
welcome back to to the para cast the

2582
01:48:02,180 --> 01:47:52,440
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2583
01:48:03,830 --> 01:48:02,190
now here's Jane Steinberg with Gina and

2584
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:03,840
Chris on the power cast we have James

2585
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:08,040
Fox joining us the film is called 701

2586
01:48:12,229 --> 01:48:10,320
before you continue with our discussion

2587
01:48:13,700 --> 01:48:12,239
of the previous segment is that the

2588
01:48:16,609 --> 01:48:13,710
final title or just a working title

2589
01:48:21,500 --> 01:48:16,619
until something better comes along well

2590
01:48:22,959 --> 01:48:21,510
as of right now is the title but if

2591
01:48:26,419 --> 01:48:22,969
something better comes along we'll

2592
01:48:28,549 --> 01:48:26,429
certainly consider it well I was gonna

2593
01:48:31,580 --> 01:48:28,559
say before he went to break James that

2594
01:48:34,879 --> 01:48:31,590
you know you have a lot of research that

2595
01:48:38,660 --> 01:48:34,889
you need to have done to chase down you

2596
01:48:42,770 --> 01:48:38,670
know some of these particular cases and

2597
01:48:45,260 --> 01:48:42,780
and little factoids that would help let

2598
01:48:48,010 --> 01:48:45,270
me know I will be more than willing to

2599
01:48:51,109 --> 01:48:48,020
put together a team of crack research

2600
01:48:54,319 --> 01:48:51,119
you know helpers that will go ahead and

2601
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:54,329
assist you in whatever you know area

2602
01:48:57,560 --> 01:48:56,159
that you need some help with so don't

2603
01:49:00,339 --> 01:48:57,570
hesitate to ask

2604
01:49:03,290 --> 01:49:00,349
we've got some really bright people that

2605
01:49:06,319 --> 01:49:03,300
write in questions at forum dr. Peric

2606
01:49:08,990 --> 01:49:06,329
ascom including this one which was asked

2607
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:09,000
three times in the same post did you

2608
01:49:16,069 --> 01:49:12,690
ever hit on Aaron Ryder if so did she

2609
01:49:28,100 --> 01:49:16,079
appear interested and is she is hot in

2610
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:28,110
person as she is on-screen and she

2611
01:49:36,020 --> 01:49:29,760
seemed all sweet and everything but boy

2612
01:49:41,149 --> 01:49:36,030
she's a handful well I just you know I

2613
01:49:43,310 --> 01:49:41,159
forgot to ask that one earlier so Tracy

2614
01:49:45,620 --> 01:49:43,320
is what we're we're you in the process

2615
01:49:46,939 --> 01:49:45,630
do you have any sort of idea of when

2616
01:49:50,780 --> 01:49:46,949
you're going to go into post I know

2617
01:49:54,049 --> 01:49:50,790
you've done several dozen interviews by

2618
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:54,059
now do you have a sense of when you're

2619
01:49:59,879 --> 01:49:56,050
going to be going into post and kind of

2620
01:50:02,149 --> 01:49:59,889
on it you know the stop the stop clock

2621
01:50:04,830 --> 01:50:02,159
that clacker and then boom going to post

2622
01:50:07,140 --> 01:50:04,840
well what we're doing right now is we're

2623
01:50:10,370 --> 01:50:07,150
we're doing on-camera interviews with

2624
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:10,380
with researchers and with witnesses and

2625
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:13,050
we've got a second round coming up in

2626
01:50:19,049 --> 01:50:15,730
October and they're obviously going to

2627
01:50:21,169 --> 01:50:19,059
be you know other witnesses that we're

2628
01:50:24,839 --> 01:50:21,179
reaching out to some of which are more

2629
01:50:26,520 --> 01:50:24,849
high-profile than others and so the vast

2630
01:50:29,129 --> 01:50:26,530
majority of those interviews should be

2631
01:50:31,140 --> 01:50:29,139
complete in the next not all of them but

2632
01:50:35,970 --> 01:50:31,150
the vast majority I'd say should be

2633
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:35,980
completed by November and then Tracy is

2634
01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:40,000
going to carefully review a lot of that

2635
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:41,050
we're going to look we're going to

2636
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:43,650
whittle it down to some of the best

2637
01:50:50,220 --> 01:50:46,239
cases and evidence that we've got and

2638
01:50:52,229 --> 01:50:50,230
and he's going to write a script at

2639
01:50:55,020 --> 01:50:52,239
which point you know we'll incorporate

2640
01:50:57,450 --> 01:50:55,030
other cases into the overall narrative

2641
01:51:00,209 --> 01:50:57,460
right and that will happen probably

2642
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:00,219
start happening in November December of

2643
01:51:07,109 --> 01:51:04,210
this year and post-production probably

2644
01:51:13,319 --> 01:51:07,119
you know one could start theoretically

2645
01:51:16,379 --> 01:51:13,329
doing stuff as early as five months but

2646
01:51:18,419 --> 01:51:16,389
you know we've got a lot of recreations

2647
01:51:21,629 --> 01:51:18,429
to do like we want to do cinematic

2648
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:21,639
recreations with oh cool hub yeah with

2649
01:51:26,280 --> 01:51:23,650
what goodness a corner case but you know

2650
01:51:28,770 --> 01:51:26,290
you've got will our big dollar stuff man

2651
01:51:30,629 --> 01:51:28,780
I hope you got your fun together yeah

2652
01:51:34,620 --> 01:51:30,639
exactly so you know that's where the

2653
01:51:36,359 --> 01:51:34,630
script will come in and a lot of the you

2654
01:51:38,310 --> 01:51:36,369
know the the interviews with the

2655
01:51:40,649 --> 01:51:38,320
researchers and the witnesses and stuff

2656
01:51:43,169 --> 01:51:40,659
that's what we're trying to to chisel

2657
01:51:44,669 --> 01:51:43,179
away at now and then also you know get

2658
01:51:47,819 --> 01:51:44,679
our hands on some of the archived

2659
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:47,829
interviews right so you know we're all

2660
01:51:52,859 --> 01:51:50,130
reviewing this stuff basically trying to

2661
01:51:56,010 --> 01:51:52,869
see what we come up with we have a

2662
01:51:58,200 --> 01:51:56,020
fairly clear idea of some of the cases

2663
01:52:01,260 --> 01:51:58,210
that recovering but we're researching

2664
01:52:03,479 --> 01:52:01,270
new cases - so oh yeah but what's the

2665
01:52:06,089 --> 01:52:03,489
addition of Ray Stanford into the

2666
01:52:06,890 --> 01:52:06,099
equation you you got how many hours six

2667
01:52:09,379 --> 01:52:06,900
hours of

2668
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:09,389
interview footage with him which I am so

2669
01:52:17,899 --> 01:52:12,810
I am so jealous man yeah we interviewed

2670
01:52:20,600 --> 01:52:17,909
him for I mean gosh five or six I would

2671
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:20,610
say probably five hours five hours okay

2672
01:52:28,490 --> 01:52:26,489
I'm jealous and you owe me one when I

2673
01:52:30,200 --> 01:52:28,500
went out to the citizens hearing I had a

2674
01:52:35,419 --> 01:52:30,210
camera with six hours of footage and he

2675
01:52:39,379 --> 01:52:35,429
can get one second so he gave such a

2676
01:52:42,669 --> 01:52:39,389
great animated interview he was really

2677
01:52:45,459 --> 01:52:42,679
really good he got very excited he

2678
01:52:48,680 --> 01:52:45,469
referenced things dates

2679
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:48,690
witnesses he retold the story in a way

2680
01:52:54,109 --> 01:52:52,080
that was just so he was so animated that

2681
01:52:57,620 --> 01:52:54,119
you really could relive his experience

2682
01:53:00,200 --> 01:52:57,630
then to have the opportunity to

2683
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:00,210
interview someone who is at the landing

2684
01:53:05,149 --> 01:53:02,880
site within days of one of the most

2685
01:53:09,560 --> 01:53:05,159
significant certainly cases that was

2686
01:53:12,020 --> 01:53:09,570
made public was just such a it was just

2687
01:53:14,330 --> 01:53:12,030
such a golden opportunity I was really

2688
01:53:17,510 --> 01:53:14,340
really really happy that I and thank you

2689
01:53:20,540 --> 01:53:17,520
Chris for making that happen you told me

2690
01:53:25,370 --> 01:53:20,550
in a text that your reality view had

2691
01:53:29,959 --> 01:53:25,380
been irrevocably changed or the same

2692
01:53:32,419 --> 01:53:29,969
again yeah you know it just it just it's

2693
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:32,429
a remind it's a constant reminder of you

2694
01:53:36,830 --> 01:53:34,860
know changing the filter and looking at

2695
01:53:39,530 --> 01:53:36,840
things slightly differently right way

2696
01:53:42,040 --> 01:53:39,540
has got a special pair of glasses on and

2697
01:53:46,129 --> 01:53:42,050
I'm really happy that you were able to

2698
01:53:48,109 --> 01:53:46,139
to get in you know kind of get into his

2699
01:53:51,740 --> 01:53:48,119
good graces he's very difficult as you

2700
01:53:55,220 --> 01:53:51,750
know to to be within and you really have

2701
01:53:57,140 --> 01:53:55,230
to be you have to be on your on your

2702
01:53:59,930 --> 01:53:57,150
best game really to be around him

2703
01:54:03,229 --> 01:53:59,940
because he is so like like you said so

2704
01:54:05,839 --> 01:54:03,239
kind of head and shoulders above us in

2705
01:54:08,660 --> 01:54:05,849
terms of his observational acuity that

2706
01:54:11,600 --> 01:54:08,670
it's kind of hard for him to sort of

2707
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:11,610
educate you as he shows you what what's

2708
01:54:15,320 --> 01:54:13,199
going on and the fact that you're able

2709
01:54:17,570 --> 01:54:15,330
to hang with him for eight days man my

2710
01:54:19,250 --> 01:54:17,580
hat's off to you oh thank you I said

2711
01:54:20,480 --> 01:54:19,260
that to him at one point I think on day

2712
01:54:22,130 --> 01:54:20,490
five I said what

2713
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:22,140
be really frustrating for you someone

2714
01:54:25,670 --> 01:54:23,610
who's paying such close attention to

2715
01:54:29,060 --> 01:54:25,680
detail and someone who's who's done so

2716
01:54:30,710 --> 01:54:29,070
much research and sees so much that

2717
01:54:31,670 --> 01:54:30,720
others don't it must be frustrating for

2718
01:54:34,100 --> 01:54:31,680
you to go through life

2719
01:54:36,890 --> 01:54:34,110
he said it's incredibly frustrating you

2720
01:54:39,590 --> 01:54:36,900
know could you imagine like what I mean

2721
01:54:42,140 --> 01:54:39,600
I if it was me I would be a hell of a

2722
01:54:44,750 --> 01:54:42,150
lot more cantankerous than he is yeah

2723
01:54:45,950 --> 01:54:44,760
exactly I literally said that I said it

2724
01:54:48,980 --> 01:54:45,960
must be really frustrating for you

2725
01:54:51,260 --> 01:54:48,990
raised again it is and especially when

2726
01:54:53,660 --> 01:54:51,270
you you can't get other resources even

2727
01:54:56,030 --> 01:54:53,670
look at what you're doing to sit down

2728
01:54:56,840 --> 01:54:56,040
and take the time and do it and it does

2729
01:54:59,240 --> 01:54:56,850
take a little time

2730
01:55:03,700 --> 01:54:59,250
well in the frustration of having the

2731
01:55:07,640 --> 01:55:03,710
naysayers out there like putting up very

2732
01:55:10,100 --> 01:55:07,650
just I don't know insulting kind of you

2733
01:55:11,660 --> 01:55:10,110
know hits on your personality and and

2734
01:55:13,580 --> 01:55:11,670
all this disinformation and

2735
01:55:15,230 --> 01:55:13,590
misinformation that's that's on the web

2736
01:55:17,810 --> 01:55:15,240
about Ray

2737
01:55:20,390 --> 01:55:17,820
it must be incredibly difficult to be in

2738
01:55:22,730 --> 01:55:20,400
that position but you know I I must say

2739
01:55:24,200 --> 01:55:22,740
James I really admire that you and Tracy

2740
01:55:27,080 --> 01:55:24,210
have team together

2741
01:55:29,990 --> 01:55:27,090
I've told several people that I have

2742
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:30,000
been called out on many interviews to do

2743
01:55:36,200 --> 01:55:33,210
for the media over 20 years I'm up

2744
01:55:38,630 --> 01:55:36,210
around 450 I think 55 or something and

2745
01:55:42,140 --> 01:55:38,640
I've never been asked to come out with

2746
01:55:45,110 --> 01:55:42,150
any sort of explanation of what it's

2747
01:55:46,250 --> 01:55:45,120
about whether I'm gonna get paid you

2748
01:55:48,980 --> 01:55:46,260
know all those things that you normally

2749
01:55:52,250 --> 01:55:48,990
ask when a Hollywood production calls

2750
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:52,260
you up when I got the call from Tracy

2751
01:55:57,200 --> 01:55:54,930
that you and Tracy we're going to put

2752
01:56:00,020 --> 01:55:57,210
together this project and he said could

2753
01:56:02,360 --> 01:56:00,030
I fly you out I said I did not ask a

2754
01:56:06,380 --> 01:56:02,370
single question except for when do you

2755
01:56:08,870 --> 01:56:06,390
want me and never ever say that again

2756
01:56:12,170 --> 01:56:08,880
about any other production I I want to

2757
01:56:14,690 --> 01:56:12,180
be public about this you two are the

2758
01:56:17,330 --> 01:56:14,700
perfect partnership to cover this

2759
01:56:18,380 --> 01:56:17,340
subject and I mean that that is a I

2760
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:18,390
don't say that

2761
01:56:24,110 --> 01:56:21,690
you know lightly I admire your work I

2762
01:56:27,230 --> 01:56:24,120
admire Tracy's work and both of your

2763
01:56:29,330 --> 01:56:27,240
work together I'm really I'm so excited

2764
01:56:31,460 --> 01:56:29,340
for you and anything I can do and

2765
01:56:33,740 --> 01:56:31,470
anything that this big pair cast

2766
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:33,750
listening form can do for you let us

2767
01:56:36,410 --> 01:56:34,410
know

2768
01:56:40,460 --> 01:56:36,420
I really appreciate that and I feel

2769
01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:40,470
blessed you know I literally I learn a

2770
01:56:45,230 --> 01:56:43,170
lot from Tracy and I have so much to

2771
01:56:47,360 --> 01:56:45,240
learn you know one of the things I keep

2772
01:56:49,310 --> 01:56:47,370
realizing the more I look into it is

2773
01:56:51,140 --> 01:56:49,320
just how much I don't know indeed

2774
01:56:52,730 --> 01:56:51,150
there's a lot to know for example if you

2775
01:56:54,890 --> 01:56:52,740
want to know how to get in touch with us

2776
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2788
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2790
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2815
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2816
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to hear stories about property seizures

2817
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frozen bank accounts confiscation of

2818
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stocks and bonds it makes me wonder if

2819
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the US citizen will ever again have the

2820
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right to life liberty and the pursuit of

2821
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2859
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2861
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2872
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2873
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2874
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:50,190
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2875
02:01:55,700 --> 02:01:53,040
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2877
02:02:03,470 --> 02:02:00,780
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2878
02:02:05,780 --> 02:02:03,480
and Chris were back with James Fox the

2879
02:02:08,990 --> 02:02:05,790
movie he's working on with Tracy Treme

2880
02:02:10,400 --> 02:02:09,000
and others is called 701 and just a

2881
02:02:13,310 --> 02:02:10,410
quick question about that obviously

2882
02:02:15,290 --> 02:02:13,320
you're basing that on the project

2883
02:02:17,270 --> 02:02:15,300
Bluebook results but in general they're

2884
02:02:19,580 --> 02:02:17,280
probably seven hundred thousand one

2885
02:02:22,610 --> 02:02:19,590
unexplained UFO cases don't you think

2886
02:02:26,140 --> 02:02:22,620
yeah well you know it's it's more what

2887
02:02:28,729 --> 02:02:26,150
the number represents you know it was

2888
02:02:30,620 --> 02:02:28,739
dr. J Allen Hynek talked about the fact

2889
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:30,630
that the cases that you know the less

2890
02:02:34,670 --> 02:02:32,330
ambiguous the more difficult to explain

2891
02:02:36,590 --> 02:02:34,680
that the Air Force would you know do

2892
02:02:39,709 --> 02:02:36,600
hand springs to keep the media away from

2893
02:02:41,540 --> 02:02:39,719
those so at the twelve thousand six

2894
02:02:46,689 --> 02:02:41,550
hundred eighteen cases investigated over

2895
02:02:49,820 --> 02:02:46,699
what 48 69 701 remained unexplained and

2896
02:02:52,040 --> 02:02:49,830
so it's it's what it symbolizes to me

2897
02:02:53,950 --> 02:02:52,050
because a lot of people say oh well all

2898
02:02:56,240 --> 02:02:53,960
you know UFOs extraterrestrial

2899
02:02:58,340 --> 02:02:56,250
spacecraft the question is are any of

2900
02:03:00,650 --> 02:02:58,350
them or any either

2901
02:03:03,189 --> 02:03:00,660
is anything when I say extraterrestrial

2902
02:03:07,130 --> 02:03:03,199
I mean not you know this on this earth

2903
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:07,140
so while we will be covering other cases

2904
02:03:12,260 --> 02:03:09,930
that were after the termination of

2905
02:03:13,459 --> 02:03:12,270
Bluebook in 69 we liked what it

2906
02:03:15,560 --> 02:03:13,469
represented the number what it

2907
02:03:17,090 --> 02:03:15,570
represented the and the ambiguity for

2908
02:03:20,540 --> 02:03:17,100
marketing purposes is kind of fun too

2909
02:03:23,050 --> 02:03:20,550
okay now speaking of cases obviously we

2910
02:03:25,459 --> 02:03:23,060
talked a lot about the Roswell case

2911
02:03:27,260 --> 02:03:25,469
everywhere it's Roswell now this week of

2912
02:03:30,140 --> 02:03:27,270
course we're all talking about area 51

2913
02:03:33,229 --> 02:03:30,150
because supposedly the CIA revealed

2914
02:03:35,750 --> 02:03:33,239
information about area 51 but what about

2915
02:03:38,150 --> 02:03:35,760
some of those offshoot cases like Aztec

2916
02:03:39,260 --> 02:03:38,160
now I guess officially the Air Force

2917
02:03:42,050 --> 02:03:39,270
never recognized

2918
02:03:45,350 --> 02:03:42,060
is existing what do you think uh I have

2919
02:03:47,210 --> 02:03:45,360
limited knowledge of the asset class you

2920
02:03:49,670 --> 02:03:47,220
talked about in that was in 1952 I think

2921
02:03:53,390 --> 02:03:49,680
her what when did that happen there was

2922
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:53,400
in March 28th March of 1948 yeah that's

2923
02:03:57,800 --> 02:03:55,290
right that's right up until fairly

2924
02:04:00,860 --> 02:03:57,810
recently I was actually at the 2013 UFO

2925
02:04:02,900 --> 02:04:00,870
Congress and I was approached by someone

2926
02:04:04,400 --> 02:04:02,910
whose head had been investigating the

2927
02:04:06,500 --> 02:04:04,410
case for quite some time and said they

2928
02:04:08,870 --> 02:04:06,510
had a lot of a lot of really compelling

2929
02:04:11,570 --> 02:04:08,880
evidence as well as on camera statements

2930
02:04:14,090 --> 02:04:11,580
from some of the original witnesses so

2931
02:04:16,580 --> 02:04:14,100
it's kind of been on my radar in the

2932
02:04:18,740 --> 02:04:16,590
last few months but I haven't personally

2933
02:04:20,900 --> 02:04:18,750
investigated any further than that but I

2934
02:04:23,660 --> 02:04:20,910
mean certainly we're open to we're

2935
02:04:26,090 --> 02:04:23,670
exploring any good solid credible cases

2936
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:26,100
what do you think about what the

2937
02:04:30,860 --> 02:04:27,930
government knows and I of course scoggs

2938
02:04:33,710 --> 02:04:30,870
makai one of our forum regulars and an

2939
02:04:35,300 --> 02:04:33,720
occasional guest on our show was talking

2940
02:04:38,990 --> 02:04:35,310
about in his question a control group

2941
02:04:41,810 --> 02:04:39,000
and if we go back to the 50s major

2942
02:04:44,690 --> 02:04:41,820
Donald Kehoe was talking about the

2943
02:04:46,550 --> 02:04:44,700
silence group and he said this is the

2944
02:04:49,580 --> 02:04:46,560
agency or organization within the

2945
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:49,590
government that manages the UFO secrecy

2946
02:04:57,170 --> 02:04:52,250
do you believe there is such a thing I

2947
02:04:58,910 --> 02:04:57,180
kind of do only because of enough

2948
02:05:00,500 --> 02:04:58,920
witness testimony I'd call it more of a

2949
02:05:03,350 --> 02:05:00,510
preponderance of evidence in the sense

2950
02:05:06,170 --> 02:05:03,360
that I've talked to enough people who

2951
02:05:10,220 --> 02:05:06,180
have either had at one point in their

2952
02:05:13,190 --> 02:05:10,230
possession very tangible evidence not as

2953
02:05:15,200 --> 02:05:13,200
the skeptics would say anecdotal that

2954
02:05:17,390 --> 02:05:15,210
has mysteriously disappeared or been

2955
02:05:19,160 --> 02:05:17,400
sought after by some unknown government

2956
02:05:20,360 --> 02:05:19,170
agency and you know and these are very

2957
02:05:21,310 --> 02:05:20,370
credible witness that I've talked to

2958
02:05:23,600 --> 02:05:21,320
over the years and then there's

2959
02:05:25,700 --> 02:05:23,610
on-camera video testimony dating back to

2960
02:05:29,180 --> 02:05:25,710
early 1950 from the McMinnville Oregon

2961
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:29,190
case Paul and his wife the trends and

2962
02:05:33,710 --> 02:05:31,890
they talked about a gentleman from an

2963
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:33,720
unknown agency whether it was the Air

2964
02:05:37,490 --> 02:05:35,370
Force or someone else that was a that

2965
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:37,500
ransacked their house back in 1950 I've

2966
02:05:43,880 --> 02:05:39,690
heard similar cases back in 1966 ice

2967
02:05:46,640 --> 02:05:43,890
with the Rex Heflin case I have a family

2968
02:05:49,130 --> 02:05:46,650
dear family friend whose uncle took a

2969
02:05:51,380 --> 02:05:49,140
photograph of the UFO back in the 70s

2970
02:05:53,030 --> 02:05:51,390
and it was published in local paper and

2971
02:05:55,400 --> 02:05:53,040
then he had he was harassed by some

2972
02:05:57,620 --> 02:05:55,410
government agencies I've seen this go on

2973
02:05:59,800 --> 02:05:57,630
for quite some time I mean even the

2974
02:06:02,900 --> 02:05:59,810
Rendlesham forest case 1980 dark I mean

2975
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:02,910
the deputy base commander Charles Hall

2976
02:06:07,280 --> 02:06:04,890
told me that some unknown agency showed

2977
02:06:09,620 --> 02:06:07,290
up in England and sanitized a lot of the

2978
02:06:11,360 --> 02:06:09,630
evidence so this is happening you know

2979
02:06:13,790 --> 02:06:11,370
time and time again I could give

2980
02:06:16,550 --> 02:06:13,800
countless examples I do another show if

2981
02:06:19,060 --> 02:06:16,560
you did do countless examples ya know to

2982
02:06:21,260 --> 02:06:19,070
your question I do believe there is some

2983
02:06:23,030 --> 02:06:21,270
first of all so it's a pile of doggie

2984
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:23,040
doo doo and they say they're not they're

2985
02:06:25,910 --> 02:06:24,570
not researching this anymore

2986
02:06:28,280 --> 02:06:25,920
it's a determination of blue-books

2987
02:06:28,490 --> 02:06:28,290
absolutely not nonsense we know that for

2988
02:06:31,670 --> 02:06:28,500
sure

2989
02:06:34,850 --> 02:06:31,680
I don't know which agency what acronym

2990
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:34,860
that is responsible I think I suggested

2991
02:06:38,990 --> 02:06:37,050
another segment that maybe it's done in

2992
02:06:41,540 --> 02:06:39,000
private industry and of course another

2993
02:06:44,120 --> 02:06:41,550
question that follows this control group

2994
02:06:46,910 --> 02:06:44,130
silence group is one will tell the

2995
02:06:49,340 --> 02:06:46,920
lyrics from that song men in black from

2996
02:06:50,780 --> 02:06:49,350
the movie here come the men in black and

2997
02:06:53,690 --> 02:06:50,790
then you have the chorus which I won't

2998
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:53,700
repeat the galaxy defenders but the men

2999
02:06:58,190 --> 02:06:55,770
in black that we always talk about are

3000
02:07:04,220 --> 02:06:58,200
defending the secret so did you explore

3001
02:07:07,100 --> 02:07:04,230
any possible cases of men in black no no

3002
02:07:10,670 --> 02:07:07,110
I mean gosh men in black I mean you can

3003
02:07:12,200 --> 02:07:10,680
call the 1997 Phoenix lights case where

3004
02:07:14,720 --> 02:07:12,210
you had a Vietnam vet on the roof of his

3005
02:07:16,220 --> 02:07:14,730
house with his video camera on tripod

3006
02:07:18,050 --> 02:07:16,230
trying to get a glimpse of the hell Bob

3007
02:07:19,670 --> 02:07:18,060
comment and he had a little he was

3008
02:07:22,160 --> 02:07:19,680
listening to he was monitoring radar

3009
02:07:24,080 --> 02:07:22,170
radio chatter from the truckers coming

3010
02:07:25,520 --> 02:07:24,090
up in i-10 apparently he heard them

3011
02:07:27,320 --> 02:07:25,530
talking about this massive craft has

3012
02:07:28,910 --> 02:07:27,330
come towards them and he allegedly got

3013
02:07:31,070 --> 02:07:28,920
great footage of the thing as it flew

3014
02:07:33,200 --> 02:07:31,080
directly over his house he contacted

3015
02:07:36,800 --> 02:07:33,210
Frances Barwood they talked she was

3016
02:07:39,200 --> 02:07:36,810
counsellor at the time with Governor

3017
02:07:40,250 --> 02:07:39,210
Fife Symington who you know he said hey

3018
02:07:41,480 --> 02:07:40,260
would you be interested in seeing this

3019
02:07:44,150 --> 02:07:41,490
footage he'd been having lots of

3020
02:07:46,160 --> 02:07:44,160
enquiries and and people asking

3021
02:07:47,510 --> 02:07:46,170
questions so of course she said yes we'd

3022
02:07:48,890 --> 02:07:47,520
love to have it they made arrangements

3023
02:07:51,620 --> 02:07:48,900
for him to drop it off at her office and

3024
02:07:53,270 --> 02:07:51,630
I think it was a day or two later two

3025
02:07:55,070 --> 02:07:53,280
men show up at his house and sued saying

3026
02:07:56,270 --> 02:07:55,080
they're from Frances Barwood office and

3027
02:07:57,800 --> 02:07:56,280
apparently he was quite relieved that's

3028
02:08:01,070 --> 02:07:57,810
all they wanted was the video footage

3029
02:08:02,450 --> 02:08:01,080
and you know a couple weeks went by you

3030
02:08:03,410 --> 02:08:02,460
never heard from her he gave her a call

3031
02:08:04,820 --> 02:08:03,420
he said well what do you think of the

3032
02:08:06,740 --> 02:08:04,830
footage she said well I never got it and

3033
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:06,750
you know so I

3034
02:08:10,070 --> 02:08:08,250
verified all this up but you know they

3035
02:08:11,330 --> 02:08:10,080
were two men in suit dark suits I mean

3036
02:08:15,050 --> 02:08:11,340
you want to call them men and black I

3037
02:08:21,290 --> 02:08:15,060
guess I don't know who they are that's

3038
02:08:24,980 --> 02:08:21,300
the classic man in black case like you

3039
02:08:26,300 --> 02:08:24,990
know and 1997 mb8 so um you know I heard

3040
02:08:28,580 --> 02:08:26,310
all the testimony regarding this and

3041
02:08:30,860 --> 02:08:28,590
even spoke to one of the investigators

3042
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:30,870
who talked to the neighbors in in this

3043
02:08:33,980 --> 02:08:32,400
guy's community claimed the yeah

3044
02:08:36,290 --> 02:08:33,990
government vehicle the government

3045
02:08:37,880 --> 02:08:36,300
looking vehicle pulled up and it was hot

3046
02:08:40,220 --> 02:08:37,890
I think was like in July or something is

3047
02:08:41,420 --> 02:08:40,230
really hot in Phoenix and there were he

3048
02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:41,430
said they thought was kind of odd these

3049
02:08:45,980 --> 02:08:43,530
guys were wearing suits dark suits I

3050
02:08:48,500 --> 02:08:45,990
don't know as I sit here man

3051
02:08:53,050 --> 02:08:48,510
it's 104 in the shade here in the

3052
02:08:55,340 --> 02:08:53,060
Phoenix area so I thought wow wow I

3053
02:08:57,530 --> 02:08:55,350
don't know where you are right now but I

3054
02:09:00,050 --> 02:08:57,540
am feeling jealous because it has to be

3055
02:09:02,300 --> 02:09:00,060
a lot cooler than that up in Northern

3056
02:09:04,490 --> 02:09:02,310
California we're right on the ocean we

3057
02:09:08,320 --> 02:09:04,500
got the ocean breeze blowing through

3058
02:09:11,210 --> 02:09:08,330
it's about it's a it's a cool 65 degrees

3059
02:09:13,820 --> 02:09:11,220
okay see handle you need the guest room

3060
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prepared for myself my wife and our

3061
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3062
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the cat's ready you see this is a big

3063
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filmmaker and what does he have

3064
02:09:28,370 --> 02:09:26,430
he has a couch so a very quick question

3065
02:09:31,060 --> 02:09:28,380
before we go to our next segment that is

3066
02:09:34,340 --> 02:09:31,070
over the course of your ufo-related

3067
02:09:36,500 --> 02:09:34,350
documentary filmmaking anyone come to

3068
02:09:38,690 --> 02:09:36,510
you who might be a government agent or

3069
02:09:40,910 --> 02:09:38,700
somebody trying to play the

3070
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:40,920
disinformation game with you not much

3071
02:09:48,050 --> 02:09:41,930
time for an answer

3072
02:09:50,090 --> 02:09:48,060
no I've ever had was right after to the

3073
02:09:52,370 --> 02:09:50,100
National Press Club event in 2007 I got

3074
02:09:54,770 --> 02:09:52,380
an email that said stop doing what

3075
02:09:57,170 --> 02:09:54,780
you're doing or I'll put you to Z and

3076
02:09:59,780 --> 02:09:57,180
the Z's got progressively smaller nodes

3077
02:10:02,270 --> 02:09:59,790
it maybe he just felt that you were

3078
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boring him to death you know well maybe

3079
02:10:06,140 --> 02:10:03,570
I was putting him to sleep I don't know

3080
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maybe the evidence wasn't as compelling

3081
02:10:10,610 --> 02:10:09,060
as I thought it was for him that's how

3082
02:10:13,100 --> 02:10:10,620
you go but when the film comes out then

3083
02:10:16,220 --> 02:10:13,110
we'll have to see for everyone James Fox

3084
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is his name and moviemaking is his game

3085
02:10:20,629 --> 02:10:18,810
it's a bad rhyme the film was called 701

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Fox talking about this new project

3195
02:15:09,470 --> 02:15:06,239
called 701 these of course represent the

3196
02:15:12,290 --> 02:15:09,480
sightings left unexplained by the air

3197
02:15:14,810 --> 02:15:12,300
force after all was said and done you

3198
02:15:17,060 --> 02:15:14,820
know that reminds me of after all is

3199
02:15:23,600 --> 02:15:17,070
said and done there's a lot more said

3200
02:15:24,979 --> 02:15:23,610
than done okay boy ain't desert you can

3201
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:24,989
remind you up all it takes a little bit

3202
02:15:28,280 --> 02:15:25,530
doesn't it

3203
02:15:31,910 --> 02:15:28,290
I don't even wanna get into politics

3204
02:15:33,950 --> 02:15:31,920
because Emily's do you know that gets to

3205
02:15:36,709 --> 02:15:33,960
be kind of crazy we gained a pound right

3206
02:15:39,560 --> 02:15:36,719
and we got to argue about that but right

3207
02:15:42,169 --> 02:15:39,570
now I think that today no matter what

3208
02:15:44,660 --> 02:15:42,179
the subject you can't learn what's going

3209
02:15:47,180 --> 02:15:44,670
on by just watching cable news because

3210
02:15:48,649 --> 02:15:47,190
that's a reality show they make it a

3211
02:15:51,200 --> 02:15:48,659
depending on their political persuasion

3212
02:15:52,189 --> 02:15:51,210
oh my gosh I remember it's so funny you

3213
02:15:53,689 --> 02:15:52,199
know I grew up with that television

3214
02:15:56,450 --> 02:15:53,699
because my dad always said it would make

3215
02:15:58,189 --> 02:15:56,460
my eyeballs square and so and we lived

3216
02:15:59,600 --> 02:15:58,199
kind of out in the sticks and we didn't

3217
02:16:01,160 --> 02:15:59,610
even have cable I mean you could get

3218
02:16:02,720 --> 02:16:01,170
like those old bunny ears and kind of

3219
02:16:05,300 --> 02:16:02,730
rotate him the right drugs and maybe

3220
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:05,310
pick up a couple of stations and but you

3221
02:16:08,360 --> 02:16:06,960
know but I'm obviously clearly been over

3222
02:16:09,770 --> 02:16:08,370
to friends house they've had TV and

3223
02:16:12,169 --> 02:16:09,780
stuff but I remember about like 10 or 12

3224
02:16:14,840 --> 02:16:12,179
years ago I popped on the news at a

3225
02:16:16,729 --> 02:16:14,850
hotel room in Las Vegas and there was

3226
02:16:18,950 --> 02:16:16,739
just somebody ranting and raving and

3227
02:16:21,080 --> 02:16:18,960
just irate about what to think and I

3228
02:16:24,110 --> 02:16:21,090
just thought what is this this isn't

3229
02:16:26,240 --> 02:16:24,120
news this is some idiots opinion and

3230
02:16:28,129 --> 02:16:26,250
like just give me the facts and let me

3231
02:16:30,080 --> 02:16:28,139
make up my own mind thank you very much

3232
02:16:31,669 --> 02:16:30,090
but that's unfortunately what it's kind

3233
02:16:34,160 --> 02:16:31,679
of whittled down to on both sides of the

3234
02:16:36,259 --> 02:16:34,170
fence you can't believe anyone anybody

3235
02:16:40,639 --> 02:16:36,269
and you wonder here when it comes to

3236
02:16:43,549 --> 02:16:40,649
UFOs exactly whether it's deliberate or

3237
02:16:45,530 --> 02:16:43,559
just part of the scheme it doesn't

3238
02:16:49,190 --> 02:16:45,540
matter what the subject is they'll find

3239
02:16:51,259 --> 02:16:49,200
a way to mess it up or innocent way I

3240
02:16:54,679 --> 02:16:51,269
can't tell you how many times I've been

3241
02:16:55,820 --> 02:16:54,689
on television with the newscaster person

3242
02:16:57,650 --> 02:16:55,830
and they have this sort of incredulous

3243
02:16:59,719 --> 02:16:57,660
look on their face when they have to

3244
02:17:01,549 --> 02:16:59,729
have the little hokey little green

3245
02:17:04,879 --> 02:17:01,559
saucer fly through the screen you know

3246
02:17:07,190 --> 02:17:04,889
it's just like come on man and then if

3247
02:17:08,600 --> 02:17:07,200
you've looked into a particular case and

3248
02:17:10,190 --> 02:17:08,610
there are a lot of cases that I haven't

3249
02:17:10,639 --> 02:17:10,200
looked into but a few cases that I've

3250
02:17:13,759 --> 02:17:10,649
looked into

3251
02:17:16,639 --> 02:17:13,769
quite thoroughly well certainly fairly

3252
02:17:18,500 --> 02:17:16,649
thoroughly I don't consider myself a UFO

3253
02:17:21,080 --> 02:17:18,510
research as much as I do is someone who

3254
02:17:23,599 --> 02:17:21,090
more reporter I like to sit through

3255
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:23,609
things that present the evidence in a

3256
02:17:32,599 --> 02:17:26,399
clear and unbiased kind of fashion but

3257
02:17:35,599 --> 02:17:32,609
it's so easy to shoot down the arguments

3258
02:17:38,179 --> 02:17:35,609
used in mainstream media against their

3259
02:17:40,429 --> 02:17:38,189
existence but for the person that

3260
02:17:42,739 --> 02:17:40,439
doesn't know they could easily buy that

3261
02:17:44,809 --> 02:17:42,749
argument I could see that and it's very

3262
02:17:46,399 --> 02:17:44,819
frustrating when you hear you know

3263
02:17:48,019 --> 02:17:46,409
someone like the Michael Shermer is

3264
02:17:49,370 --> 02:17:48,029
talking about anecdotal evidence and

3265
02:17:52,129 --> 02:17:49,380
stuff when you've been in the archives

3266
02:17:53,389 --> 02:17:52,139
and you've seen diagrams of all this you

3267
02:17:57,679 --> 02:17:53,399
know some of these very unambiguous

3268
02:18:00,799 --> 02:17:57,689
cases that you know you can't discount

3269
02:18:03,679 --> 02:18:00,809
and and it's frustrating to see that you

3270
02:18:05,870 --> 02:18:03,689
know do you mean but for the mainstream

3271
02:18:07,759 --> 02:18:05,880
I mean they give explanations oh isn't

3272
02:18:09,679 --> 02:18:07,769
that just a bunch of geese or wasn't oh

3273
02:18:12,529 --> 02:18:09,689
I know they explain that one that was a

3274
02:18:14,269 --> 02:18:12,539
wasn't that that was uh but military

3275
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:14,279
players like you know that was the white

3276
02:18:18,830 --> 02:18:15,840
house it's like Oh God

3277
02:18:21,349 --> 02:18:18,840
we have been seeing some progress I mean

3278
02:18:23,929 --> 02:18:21,359
you don't see the twilight zone theme

3279
02:18:28,009 --> 02:18:23,939
being played or little green man jokes

3280
02:18:30,290 --> 02:18:28,019
as much as you used to so you know some

3281
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:30,300
of these these sighting reports and

3282
02:18:33,979 --> 02:18:32,489
cases are being taken more seriously but

3283
02:18:37,250 --> 02:18:33,989
there's a long way to go and I'm sure

3284
02:18:39,379 --> 02:18:37,260
you'll agree absolutely you know one of

3285
02:18:41,870 --> 02:18:39,389
the things that I talked to Tracy about

3286
02:18:43,699 --> 02:18:41,880
we butted heads a little bit but as

3287
02:18:46,219 --> 02:18:43,709
Tracy says you know this is all part of

3288
02:18:47,859 --> 02:18:46,229
the process and you know I'll have

3289
02:18:50,629 --> 02:18:47,869
certain suggestions but in terms of

3290
02:18:53,509 --> 02:18:50,639
marketing I try to I've always

3291
02:18:54,879 --> 02:18:53,519
envisioned 7:01 in some respects as

3292
02:18:57,109 --> 02:18:54,889
being the real-life Close Encounters

3293
02:18:59,269 --> 02:18:57,119
what I mean by that it's like we're not

3294
02:19:02,299 --> 02:18:59,279
talking about you know obviously there's

3295
02:19:04,069 --> 02:19:02,309
a lot of you know the whole ending bit

3296
02:19:05,719 --> 02:19:04,079
and the big chandelier that comes down

3297
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:05,729
and the creatures kitties now but let's

3298
02:19:10,250 --> 02:19:07,679
talk about that but a lot of you know it

3299
02:19:12,349 --> 02:19:10,260
down to dreyfuses face being burned by

3300
02:19:15,409 --> 02:19:12,359
the object and the shapes and the flight

3301
02:19:18,799 --> 02:19:15,419
characteristics and all those things you

3302
02:19:19,400 --> 02:19:18,809
know like in 13 astronauts project serpo

3303
02:19:21,590 --> 02:19:19,410
or

3304
02:19:23,360 --> 02:19:21,600
the craft coming right out of project

3305
02:19:26,000 --> 02:19:23,370
Bluebook follows it I kind of like the

3306
02:19:27,290 --> 02:19:26,010
idea from a marketing standpoint if you

3307
02:19:28,880 --> 02:19:27,300
know what is it exactly that you're

3308
02:19:30,380 --> 02:19:28,890
doing your elevator pitch think of it as

3309
02:19:32,840 --> 02:19:30,390
the real-life Close Encounters and

3310
02:19:34,610 --> 02:19:32,850
that's kind of in a sense what what you

3311
02:19:37,100 --> 02:19:34,620
know we're trying to accomplish we

3312
02:19:38,570 --> 02:19:37,110
understand that there's a need for you

3313
02:19:41,930 --> 02:19:38,580
know entertainment but if we could do it

3314
02:19:44,480 --> 02:19:41,940
with with laser-like accuracy and really

3315
02:19:46,700 --> 02:19:44,490
beautiful sweeping cinematic recreations

3316
02:19:49,730 --> 02:19:46,710
and real evidence and real witnesses

3317
02:19:51,650 --> 02:19:49,740
whenever possible then you know I think

3318
02:19:52,730 --> 02:19:51,660
we'd have a winner on our hands you know

3319
02:19:55,690 --> 02:19:52,740
we probably have some more questions

3320
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:55,700
left from the audience Chris here's one

3321
02:20:01,850 --> 02:19:59,040
let's kind of boil it down and find out

3322
02:20:03,261 --> 02:20:01,860
what James Fox really thinks this comes

3323
02:20:05,210 --> 02:20:03,271
from Jeff Crouse he's one of our

3324
02:20:08,091 --> 02:20:05,220
administrators of forum dr. Perry cast

3325
02:20:10,730 --> 02:20:08,101
calm and he says what is your current

3326
02:20:13,520 --> 02:20:10,740
hypothesis on the origins of the UFO

3327
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:13,530
phenomenon off-world ET altered

3328
02:20:20,860 --> 02:20:16,800
dimensional altered terrestrial what's

3329
02:20:23,960 --> 02:20:20,870
your where do you come down I honestly

3330
02:20:26,540 --> 02:20:23,970
it seems like such a neat little label

3331
02:20:28,761 --> 02:20:26,550
just to say extraterrestrial but the

3332
02:20:30,051 --> 02:20:28,771
more I learn the more I realized that I

3333
02:20:34,490 --> 02:20:30,061
just don't think that one could do that

3334
02:20:37,220 --> 02:20:34,500
and I'm kind of I'm kind of possibly all

3335
02:20:39,080 --> 02:20:37,230
of the above theory at this point but I

3336
02:20:39,980 --> 02:20:39,090
just I gotta be honest with you I I

3337
02:20:47,570 --> 02:20:39,990
don't know

3338
02:20:50,180 --> 02:20:47,580
of us are but here's one from another

3339
02:20:52,240 --> 02:20:50,190
one of our administrators gods Makai

3340
02:20:55,761 --> 02:20:52,250
what are your thoughts on any

3341
02:20:58,040 --> 02:20:55,771
quote-unquote control group ie an

3342
02:21:00,890 --> 02:20:58,050
unacknowledged all-powerful official

3343
02:21:02,750 --> 02:21:00,900
body that keeps the UFO enigma off the

3344
02:21:04,970 --> 02:21:02,760
front page and forever associated with

3345
02:21:08,690 --> 02:21:04,980
silly stuff do you think there is a

3346
02:21:11,240 --> 02:21:08,700
control group well I I think that you

3347
02:21:14,091 --> 02:21:11,250
look into the Robertson panel and there

3348
02:21:16,040 --> 02:21:14,101
was a policy shift after this pretty big

3349
02:21:18,920 --> 02:21:16,050
policy have to run around that time in

3350
02:21:20,930 --> 02:21:18,930
the early fifties where you suddenly are

3351
02:21:23,540 --> 02:21:20,940
introduced to this whole ridicule factor

3352
02:21:26,180 --> 02:21:23,550
that you know let's let's not deny it

3353
02:21:29,240 --> 02:21:26,190
let's just adopt this policy of ridicule

3354
02:21:30,801 --> 02:21:29,250
it was a very effective campaign you

3355
02:21:32,570 --> 02:21:30,811
know you just laugh at people who

3356
02:21:33,440 --> 02:21:32,580
claimed to have seen them and a

3357
02:21:34,850 --> 02:21:33,450
discourages

3358
02:21:36,740 --> 02:21:34,860
able to come forward when they do they

3359
02:21:38,990 --> 02:21:36,750
get laughed at because you think about

3360
02:21:40,551 --> 02:21:39,000
it I mean what's is what's really funny

3361
02:21:42,530 --> 02:21:40,561
about an airline pilot or a radar

3362
02:21:44,631 --> 02:21:42,540
operator talking about these things you

3363
02:21:46,341 --> 02:21:44,641
know just because we can't explain it is

3364
02:21:47,060 --> 02:21:46,351
it really that funny I don't think it's

3365
02:21:49,250 --> 02:21:47,070
not funny

3366
02:21:52,341 --> 02:21:49,260
to me it's like we should we should look

3367
02:21:54,110 --> 02:21:52,351
into it you know but that you know that

3368
02:21:56,600 --> 02:21:54,120
that ship seemed to have happen to run

3369
02:21:59,841 --> 02:21:56,610
around the Robertson panel time in 53 52

3370
02:22:03,320 --> 02:21:59,851
53 yeah so I mean it's always been

3371
02:22:05,150 --> 02:22:03,330
obvious to me that somebody's keeping

3372
02:22:07,750 --> 02:22:05,160
you know close tabs on what's going on

3373
02:22:09,890 --> 02:22:07,760
at least in the civilian side of ufology

3374
02:22:12,430 --> 02:22:09,900
here's another question from Jeff

3375
02:22:16,940 --> 02:22:12,440
Crowell again one of our administrators

3376
02:22:20,150 --> 02:22:16,950
is really odd but people often say oh

3377
02:22:21,950 --> 02:22:20,160
you know what is it about the these you

3378
02:22:24,171 --> 02:22:21,960
know men in dark suits or men in black

3379
02:22:26,930 --> 02:22:24,181
and wearing like that well I I don't

3380
02:22:29,860 --> 02:22:26,940
know enough about the so-called men in

3381
02:22:34,040 --> 02:22:29,870
black but I do know on a number of cases

3382
02:22:36,860 --> 02:22:34,050
that dating back as early as 1950 I have

3383
02:22:38,810 --> 02:22:36,870
archives I just give one example I can

3384
02:22:41,301 --> 02:22:38,820
give multiple examples I have archived

3385
02:22:42,890 --> 02:22:41,311
interviews of the Trent Paul Trent his

3386
02:22:45,560 --> 02:22:42,900
wife I don't remember his wife's name

3387
02:22:48,381 --> 02:22:45,570
was unfortunately talking clearly about

3388
02:22:49,970 --> 02:22:48,391
a representative from some unknown

3389
02:22:52,671 --> 02:22:49,980
agency could have been the Air Force she

3390
02:22:55,910 --> 02:22:52,681
wasn't sure that ransacked her house and

3391
02:22:57,560 --> 02:22:55,920
turned her place upside down looking for

3392
02:22:59,180 --> 02:22:57,570
either the negatives or further

3393
02:23:03,740 --> 02:22:59,190
photographic evidence of what they

3394
02:23:06,530 --> 02:23:03,750
documented in famous at mindle

3395
02:23:08,570 --> 02:23:06,540
series of photographs from I think 1953

3396
02:23:10,881 --> 02:23:08,580
if I remember correctly I think it's

3397
02:23:14,660 --> 02:23:10,891
nineteen fifty fifty okay the most

3398
02:23:16,671 --> 02:23:14,670
Mendel Oregon photographs yeah and you

3399
02:23:19,850 --> 02:23:16,681
know the Trent poultry I think that the

3400
02:23:22,520 --> 02:23:19,860
photographs but you know I've got films

3401
02:23:25,940 --> 02:23:22,530
footage of her giving an interview in

3402
02:23:28,160 --> 02:23:25,950
the 80s talking about these men this man

3403
02:23:29,511 --> 02:23:28,170
that showed up from I think I think she

3404
02:23:31,430 --> 02:23:29,521
said with the airforce I have to look at

3405
02:23:34,011 --> 02:23:31,440
ransack in her place basically and then

3406
02:23:37,640 --> 02:23:34,021
I've got evidence to suggest similar

3407
02:23:40,820 --> 02:23:37,650
things happened with the 1966 Rex Heflin

3408
02:23:42,530 --> 02:23:40,830
photographs government from government

3409
02:23:46,011 --> 02:23:42,540
agencies claiming to be you know either

3410
02:23:46,911 --> 02:23:46,021
from gosh what was that not the NSA some

3411
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:46,921
other three

3412
02:23:54,081 --> 02:23:51,690
an organization but I researched a case

3413
02:23:57,261 --> 02:23:54,091
back in the 90s when we had the Phoenix

3414
02:23:58,970 --> 02:23:57,271
lights case and there was a gentleman

3415
02:24:00,441 --> 02:23:58,980
who was a Vietnam vet and sent me on his

3416
02:24:05,720 --> 02:24:00,451
roof trying to get a closer look at the

3417
02:24:07,311 --> 02:24:05,730
hell Bob comment and he had filmed this

3418
02:24:10,131 --> 02:24:07,321
object he heard he was scanning the

3419
02:24:12,321 --> 02:24:10,141
radio chatter from the truckers and he

3420
02:24:13,671 --> 02:24:12,331
heard this these truckers talking about

3421
02:24:15,621 --> 02:24:13,681
this craft he's like wow it's coming

3422
02:24:17,720 --> 02:24:15,631
right towards me lo and behold the craft

3423
02:24:19,821 --> 02:24:17,730
flew right overhead we have James Fox

3424
02:24:26,220 --> 02:24:19,831
joining us for one more segment with

3425
02:24:30,191 --> 02:24:27,941
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3457
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3485
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3488
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3505
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3506
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dollars out of my pocket i discovered

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3509
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thanks for giving me my life back dr.

3511
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3514
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3525
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3526
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3527
02:28:55,270 --> 02:28:52,880
web at dr. ort ma ENCOM our last segment

3528
02:28:59,200 --> 02:28:55,280
of our visit this time with James Fox

3529
02:29:00,640 --> 02:28:59,210
the film is 701 you were telling us

3530
02:29:03,130 --> 02:29:00,650
about a sighting would you continue

3531
02:29:04,690 --> 02:29:03,140
please James yes the point I was

3532
02:29:06,400 --> 02:29:04,700
basically making is that there are a

3533
02:29:09,520 --> 02:29:06,410
number of cases that I personally even

3534
02:29:11,590 --> 02:29:09,530
looked into or seemed you know testimony

3535
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:11,600
to suggest that there's some unknown

3536
02:29:19,290 --> 02:29:16,370
government agency that has pretty good

3537
02:29:21,670 --> 02:29:19,300
listening or monitoring capabilities

3538
02:29:23,770 --> 02:29:21,680
looking for for evidence and I could go

3539
02:29:25,570 --> 02:29:23,780
on and you know and so we've doubled up

3540
02:29:27,430 --> 02:29:25,580
all of our time but I'll finish this

3541
02:29:29,350 --> 02:29:27,440
last story and that was this guy

3542
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:29,360
basically filmed the object or whatever

3543
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:31,280
it was it flew over right over his roof

3544
02:29:34,930 --> 02:29:33,290
from a camera with a tripod because he

3545
02:29:37,840 --> 02:29:34,940
was trying to get filmed footage of the

3546
02:29:39,820 --> 02:29:37,850
hell Bob comment well he called Frances

3547
02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:39,830
Barwood who was council member at the

3548
02:29:43,230 --> 02:29:41,210
time and said hey I've got this footage

3549
02:29:45,760 --> 02:29:43,240
you'd be would you be interested

3550
02:29:46,840 --> 02:29:45,770
absolutely we'd be interested they made

3551
02:29:48,130 --> 02:29:46,850
arrangements for him to drop this

3552
02:29:50,230 --> 02:29:48,140
footage off in her office I think the

3553
02:29:52,810 --> 02:29:50,240
next day or a couple days later I think

3554
02:29:54,340 --> 02:29:52,820
it was that day or the very next day two

3555
02:29:56,380 --> 02:29:54,350
men in suits showed up at his house

3556
02:29:58,000 --> 02:29:56,390
knocked on the door quite intimidating

3557
02:29:59,170 --> 02:29:58,010
saying they were from Francis

3558
02:30:01,180 --> 02:29:59,180
bollywood's office to pick up the

3559
02:30:02,470 --> 02:30:01,190
footage he thought well I was gonna drop

3560
02:30:04,840 --> 02:30:02,480
it off well we're here to pick it up

3561
02:30:06,100 --> 02:30:04,850
again so it saves me the trip and he

3562
02:30:06,819 --> 02:30:06,110
said that was quite relieved so that's

3563
02:30:08,859 --> 02:30:06,829
that's holding

3564
02:30:12,119 --> 02:30:08,869
but but he said was kind of hard they

3565
02:30:15,669 --> 02:30:12,129
were in suits it was a very hot day and

3566
02:30:18,099 --> 02:30:15,679
you know of course the footage never

3567
02:30:19,659 --> 02:30:18,109
made it to Frances Barwood office and I

3568
02:30:21,699 --> 02:30:19,669
talked to Frances that length about it

3569
02:30:23,229 --> 02:30:21,709
and I also spoke at the time with a guy

3570
02:30:24,459 --> 02:30:23,239
who personally investigated the case and

3571
02:30:26,260 --> 02:30:24,469
the neighbors had actually seen a

3572
02:30:27,849 --> 02:30:26,270
vehicle pull up and two men you know

3573
02:30:29,859 --> 02:30:27,859
getting out and we going to the guy's

3574
02:30:32,019 --> 02:30:29,869
door so there's a number of these cases

3575
02:30:34,389 --> 02:30:32,029
that have happened so it seems like the

3576
02:30:35,979 --> 02:30:34,399
better the evidence the more likely it

3577
02:30:37,929 --> 02:30:35,989
is that someone's going to show up and

3578
02:30:42,170 --> 02:30:37,939
try to get their hands on it and if

3579
02:30:45,989 --> 02:30:42,180
there are hot chicks be extra careful

3580
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:45,999
[Laughter]

3581
02:30:51,339 --> 02:30:48,319
how could they possibly be listening how

3582
02:30:53,139 --> 02:30:51,349
is that I know well I don't know but if

3583
02:30:55,300 --> 02:30:53,149
you're here's here's a bombshell for

3584
02:30:58,569 --> 02:30:55,310
everybody out there which I'm almost

3585
02:31:02,229 --> 02:30:58,579
embarrassed to say but I just spent over

3586
02:31:04,629 --> 02:31:02,239
a week in New Mexico copying laborious

3587
02:31:08,139 --> 02:31:04,639
ly file after file and police report

3588
02:31:10,929 --> 02:31:08,149
after police report and bringing it back

3589
02:31:13,059 --> 02:31:10,939
for you know my process of writing my

3590
02:31:14,709 --> 02:31:13,069
book stalking the herd on the cattle

3591
02:31:17,099 --> 02:31:14,719
mutilation phenomenon when I got home

3592
02:31:21,929 --> 02:31:17,109
and unpacked my luggage my entire file

3593
02:31:25,779 --> 02:31:21,939
about five pounds of paperwork was gone

3594
02:31:27,399 --> 02:31:25,789
you're kidding no no I'm not joking in

3595
02:31:34,179 --> 02:31:27,409
fact one of the reasons why I'm leaving

3596
02:31:38,379 --> 02:31:34,189
in about an hour is to go kind of gather

3597
02:31:40,449 --> 02:31:38,389
up some of the research that I don't

3598
02:31:44,529 --> 02:31:40,459
have that I spent a week trying to

3599
02:31:46,839 --> 02:31:44,539
accumulate so I you know when people say

3600
02:31:49,059 --> 02:31:46,849
oh there's nobody involved in all this I

3601
02:31:51,129 --> 02:31:49,069
I'm not a conspiracy buff I don't you

3602
02:31:53,139 --> 02:31:51,139
know buy into people watching me and

3603
02:31:55,389 --> 02:31:53,149
monitoring my phones and all that but I

3604
02:31:57,429 --> 02:31:55,399
find it very interesting that you know I

3605
02:32:00,550 --> 02:31:57,439
take a bus from Albuquerque to Flagstaff

3606
02:32:03,039 --> 02:32:00,560
and I end up missing a huge file of

3607
02:32:05,979 --> 02:32:03,049
paperwork nothing else except actually a

3608
02:32:09,550 --> 02:32:05,989
bottle of water was a mysteriously

3609
02:32:12,059 --> 02:32:09,560
disappeared so you know fortunately I

3610
02:32:15,099 --> 02:32:12,069
didn't have original copies or original

3611
02:32:17,169 --> 02:32:15,109
versions of these documents I'm able to

3612
02:32:19,569 --> 02:32:17,179
you know replace them all but it's a

3613
02:32:20,320 --> 02:32:19,579
pain in the ass you know it's like eight

3614
02:32:24,790 --> 02:32:20,330
or nine hours

3615
02:32:27,610 --> 02:32:24,800
of extra work well you know I I've heard

3616
02:32:32,170 --> 02:32:27,620
so many of these accounts I mean I just

3617
02:32:33,970 --> 02:32:32,180
took a trip with my fiance's family back

3618
02:32:37,750 --> 02:32:33,980
in Tennessee's they every year they go

3619
02:32:41,170 --> 02:32:37,760
on a lake for a week and one of the the

3620
02:32:43,330 --> 02:32:41,180
wife of her cousin was telling me that

3621
02:32:46,870 --> 02:32:43,340
oh you're in the UFOs oh yeah you know

3622
02:32:49,870 --> 02:32:46,880
my uncle shot a photograph of the you

3623
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:49,880
know countryside and inexplicably in two

3624
02:32:54,100 --> 02:32:51,530
of the photographs his perfect you know

3625
02:32:56,170 --> 02:32:54,110
disc showed up they published in the

3626
02:32:58,240 --> 02:32:56,180
local papers she's like I still had the

3627
02:33:00,160 --> 02:32:58,250
local paper and lo and behold some

3628
02:33:03,130 --> 02:33:00,170
someone from some government agency

3629
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:03,140
showed up at his house and tried to get

3630
02:33:07,330 --> 02:33:05,290
it from him take it away from him and

3631
02:33:11,730 --> 02:33:07,340
but I you know I've heard that so many

3632
02:33:14,801 --> 02:33:11,740
times so there's clearly something to it

3633
02:33:17,590 --> 02:33:14,811
again the glasses I'm helping fill the

3634
02:33:20,801 --> 02:33:17,600
glass I'm not a you know half half empty

3635
02:33:23,410 --> 02:33:20,811
kind of guy so we have to always assume

3636
02:33:25,660 --> 02:33:23,420
a mundane explanation until proven

3637
02:33:27,370 --> 02:33:25,670
extraordinary but but yeah you're right

3638
02:33:30,100 --> 02:33:27,380
I mean these kinds of things crop up

3639
02:33:32,801 --> 02:33:30,110
time and time and time again and

3640
02:33:35,080 --> 02:33:32,811
unfortunately I'm having to deal with

3641
02:33:36,610 --> 02:33:35,090
the consequences of an inexplicable

3642
02:33:39,210 --> 02:33:36,620
disappearance of five pounds of

3643
02:33:42,820 --> 02:33:39,220
documentation go figure

3644
02:33:44,110 --> 02:33:42,830
I'm I can't really reveal names right

3645
02:33:47,320 --> 02:33:44,120
now but there's a there's a very

3646
02:33:49,150 --> 02:33:47,330
well-known respected physicist who's

3647
02:33:51,011 --> 02:33:49,160
delved into this subject matter of the

3648
02:33:53,980 --> 02:33:51,021
number of occasions over the decades and

3649
02:33:57,070 --> 02:33:53,990
he recently approached me about some

3650
02:33:58,900 --> 02:33:57,080
similar evidence that he said look I

3651
02:34:00,490 --> 02:33:58,910
don't know exactly what I have but

3652
02:34:02,140 --> 02:34:00,500
whatever it is there seems to be a keen

3653
02:34:04,120 --> 02:34:02,150
interest from some unknown government

3654
02:34:05,290 --> 02:34:04,130
agency with a lot of power a lot of

3655
02:34:07,540 --> 02:34:05,300
influences is what gives you that

3656
02:34:10,630 --> 02:34:07,550
impression he said well and he gave a

3657
02:34:12,761 --> 02:34:10,640
couple of examples of how they got in he

3658
02:34:15,430 --> 02:34:12,771
still has some of this stuff but how

3659
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:15,440
they got into his bank vault and how

3660
02:34:20,820 --> 02:34:18,170
they got into the lab where this

3661
02:34:23,890 --> 02:34:20,830
analysis work was being done and

3662
02:34:26,170 --> 02:34:23,900
disappeared to on two separate occasions

3663
02:34:27,220 --> 02:34:26,180
and stuff and he said I spread it out

3664
02:34:29,920 --> 02:34:27,230
all over the place

3665
02:34:31,240 --> 02:34:29,930
you know fearing that exact scenario I

3666
02:34:32,920 --> 02:34:31,250
said well who do you think it is I don't

3667
02:34:34,030 --> 02:34:32,930
know whoever it is they've got a lot of

3668
02:34:36,430 --> 02:34:34,040
influence and

3669
02:34:39,490 --> 02:34:36,440
of interest in what I have Chris any

3670
02:34:41,920 --> 02:34:39,500
more questions yeah I've got a ton of

3671
02:34:43,960 --> 02:34:41,930
questions but here's one that I'm not

3672
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:43,970
sure what to make of again from Jeff

3673
02:34:50,200 --> 02:34:47,690
Karl if you could punch Josh gates in

3674
02:34:51,390 --> 02:34:50,210
the mouth would you I have no idea what

3675
02:34:53,650 --> 02:34:51,400
that's about

3676
02:34:58,720 --> 02:34:53,660
Josh gates not the guy that was on that

3677
02:35:07,810 --> 02:34:58,730
show I don't know who is Josh gates

3678
02:35:09,610 --> 02:35:07,820
I mean gene helped me but you know that

3679
02:35:12,990 --> 02:35:09,620
and about three questions about how hot

3680
02:35:16,240 --> 02:35:13,000
Aaron was I you know you got me there

3681
02:35:19,030 --> 02:35:16,250
okay uh let me see you know tell us

3682
02:35:21,940 --> 02:35:19,040
about your your BP horizon

3683
02:35:24,730 --> 02:35:21,950
you know the Gulf film that you were

3684
02:35:27,850 --> 02:35:24,740
nice enough to give me a preview copy of

3685
02:35:29,590 --> 02:35:27,860
I mean excellent work I mean what what

3686
02:35:34,480 --> 02:35:29,600
is the status of that particular project

3687
02:35:39,370 --> 02:35:34,490
right now we we had we've had one offer

3688
02:35:40,600 --> 02:35:39,380
one rejection and I just it's funny one

3689
02:35:43,360 --> 02:35:40,610
of the network said well it's just a

3690
02:35:46,780 --> 02:35:43,370
little too political for us so I was

3691
02:35:49,480 --> 02:35:46,790
kind of funny but uh I have entered it

3692
02:35:51,490 --> 02:35:49,490
into the Sundance Film Festival a couple

3693
02:35:53,680 --> 02:35:51,500
of days ago so my fingers across we're

3694
02:35:55,780 --> 02:35:53,690
entering into a number of other film

3695
02:35:59,920 --> 02:35:55,790
festivals as well sort of as a fallback

3696
02:36:02,261 --> 02:35:59,930
position and we are still refining it

3697
02:36:09,160 --> 02:36:02,271
we're still you know doing some work on

3698
02:36:12,580 --> 02:36:09,170
it but you know it it's not extremely an

3699
02:36:13,270 --> 02:36:12,590
uplifting toss which I guess that's an

3700
02:36:16,060 --> 02:36:13,280
understatement

3701
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:16,070
what is what you you know I know the

3702
02:36:19,890 --> 02:36:17,600
working title but what is the final

3703
02:36:23,800 --> 02:36:19,900
title is it has it remained the same

3704
02:36:25,360 --> 02:36:23,810
yeah it's pretty slick and anyone out

3705
02:36:27,761 --> 02:36:25,370
there who wants to see the trailer you

3706
02:36:29,050 --> 02:36:27,771
just go to pretty slick their movie calm

3707
02:36:31,030 --> 02:36:29,060
and you can you can watch the trailer

3708
02:36:34,390 --> 02:36:31,040
good that that's what I was fishing for

3709
02:36:36,280 --> 02:36:34,400
thank you you know we're looking for a

3710
02:36:39,610 --> 02:36:36,290
good home for it messed up three years

3711
02:36:42,400 --> 02:36:39,620
making it so we're no no hurry we think

3712
02:36:43,390 --> 02:36:42,410
it's a we think it's relevant even I'm

3713
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:43,400
telling you

3714
02:36:47,320 --> 02:36:45,530
the only people that actually were able

3715
02:36:48,610 --> 02:36:47,330
to sneak underneath the barricades and

3716
02:36:51,030 --> 02:36:48,620
actually get the real story

3717
02:36:54,310 --> 02:36:51,040
I remember following your progress daily

3718
02:36:57,430 --> 02:36:54,320
three years ago four years ago now and

3719
02:36:58,930 --> 02:36:57,440
just saying man this guy I don't know

3720
02:37:00,820 --> 02:36:58,940
how he's doing it but he's getting the

3721
02:37:03,430 --> 02:37:00,830
real deal and you actually flew over the

3722
02:37:06,461 --> 02:37:03,440
area yeah we did we flew over the area

3723
02:37:09,341 --> 02:37:06,471
with a marine scientist dr. Carl Safina

3724
02:37:11,770 --> 02:37:09,351
and it was apocalyptic what I saw it

3725
02:37:15,070 --> 02:37:11,780
documented I mean I tell you I just had

3726
02:37:17,711 --> 02:37:15,080
no idea the magnitude the scale of the

3727
02:37:19,961 --> 02:37:17,721
spill until you fly over it and you see

3728
02:37:21,881 --> 02:37:19,971
oil in every direction on the horizon as

3729
02:37:24,761 --> 02:37:21,891
far as the eye can see what do you think

3730
02:37:26,591 --> 02:37:24,771
are FEMA and the the recent revelations

3731
02:37:29,921 --> 02:37:26,601
that are coming out that a minimum of

3732
02:37:32,560 --> 02:37:29,931
300 million gallons a day are being

3733
02:37:36,910 --> 02:37:32,570
pumped out into the Pacific Ocean from

3734
02:37:39,100 --> 02:37:36,920
the Dutch I nuclear plant it's just

3735
02:37:42,730 --> 02:37:39,110
terrifying the whole thing tell me my

3736
02:37:46,570 --> 02:37:42,740
god hey I won't go to sushi bars anymore

3737
02:37:48,610 --> 02:37:46,580
I'm sorry oh my god I never eat sushi so

3738
02:37:50,020 --> 02:37:48,620
doesn't matter James Fox tell our

3739
02:37:53,291 --> 02:37:50,030
listeners where they can find more of

3740
02:37:54,940 --> 02:37:53,301
the stuff that you do you can go to you

3741
02:37:58,421 --> 02:37:54,950
can google I know what I saw I know what

3742
02:38:00,970 --> 02:37:58,431
I saw the movie comm you can go to 701

3743
02:38:03,371 --> 02:38:00,980
the movie comm you can view a trailer of

3744
02:38:07,390 --> 02:38:03,381
my pretty slick film on the BP oil spill

3745
02:38:08,890 --> 02:38:07,400
at pretty slick the movie comm and if

3746
02:38:10,900 --> 02:38:08,900
anybody out there has any evidence that

3747
02:38:12,820 --> 02:38:10,910
we've you know they'd like to submit or

3748
02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:12,830
show me or talk to me about or any

3749
02:38:17,160 --> 02:38:15,530
interesting aspects to a particular case

3750
02:38:19,320 --> 02:38:17,170
I'm all ears

3751
02:38:22,320 --> 02:38:19,330
thousand dollars out there if you can

3752
02:38:24,940 --> 02:38:22,330
slam-dunk everybody let's slam-dunk this

3753
02:38:27,190 --> 02:38:24,950
chris has a site called our strange

3754
02:38:29,591 --> 02:38:27,200
planet dot-com that's our strange planet

3755
02:38:32,230 --> 02:38:29,601
calm you can find us on Twitter where we

3756
02:38:34,930 --> 02:38:32,240
are known as the para cast we are the

3757
02:38:37,240 --> 02:38:34,940
parent casts on Twitter there is a para

3758
02:38:39,461 --> 02:38:37,250
cast fan club on Facebook in fact there

3759
02:38:41,081 --> 02:38:39,471
are two under one account we'd like to

3760
02:38:41,930 --> 02:38:41,091
make them one maybe someone will help us

3761
02:38:44,450 --> 02:38:41,940
out

3762
02:38:46,190 --> 02:38:44,460
you're in the power cast James Fox thank

3763
02:38:48,310 --> 02:38:46,200
you for joining us this week on the show

3764
02:38:54,810 --> 02:38:48,320
thank you guys for having me on

3765
02:39:01,240 --> 02:38:58,330
the para cast featuring gene Steinberg

3766
02:39:04,230 --> 02:39:01,250
and Christopher O'Brien is a copyrighted

3767
02:39:07,960 --> 02:39:04,240
presentation of making the impossible